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Old 04-04-2013, 12:45 AM   #21
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Hey let's fixate on this thing that happens probably 0.001% of the time and make a talking point out of it. It will be incredibly honest and not at all questionable!
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:49 AM   #22
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And for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm against abortion. It's possible to have botched abortions. That says a lot for me. The fact that an abortion can occur at a time when the child can end up alive once it's out... I don't see how someone can view a fetus as "just a pile of cells" if it can be literally seconds away from a breathing, crying creature.
People will still have abortions even if they are illegal. If you're scared of "botched" abortions, then proper medical facilities provided by an environment that allows women to make that choice should be your goal man. Here is a read about what it was like before:
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Of course in a perfect world, abortions would be banned cause no one would need/want them. Being against it is really just refusing to understand the situation and choosing beliefs over the health of the population.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:52 AM   #23
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Cruel and unusual to keep it alive at that point. Either abort or don't; just be committed to whichever option you choose.


^ This.

Also, to AeroRocker, the "pile of cells" statement? Depends who you ask. If you ask me, you and I are no more a pile of cells than a 3 month old fetus.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:55 AM   #24
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Well if it's a botched abortion then it's probably best to kill it. A true post-birth abortion though? wtf gooby
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:56 AM   #25
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Well if it's a botched abortion then it's probably best to kill it. A true post-birth abortion though? wtf gooby



Post-birth abortions should be legal until the age of 5.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:57 AM   #26
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Post-birth abortions should be legal until the age of 5.


Make it 9. I know a kid.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:58 AM   #27
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Make it 9. I know a kid.



Let's be real here, there should be no age limit.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:58 AM   #28
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People keep assuming that "post-birth" means "post-9 months of gestation".

That's not what it means. Birth, in this case, is the moment which the fetus is no longer a part of the mother's body. That could happen at 2 months, 4 months, 8 months, etc.



edit: Why not make it 18? A lot of kids, we can see what's coming. It's euthanasia to help society.
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Lots of old folks and young'ns be overdue.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:15 AM   #30
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People keep assuming that "post-birth" means "post-9 months of gestation".

That's not what it means. Birth, in this case, is the moment which the fetus is no longer a part of the mother's body. That could happen at 2 months, 4 months, 8 months, etc.



edit: Why not make it 18? A lot of kids, we can see what's coming. It's euthanasia to help society.

Oh, well if that's the case then I guess it's fine with certain restrictions I guess, just like a standard abortion.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:22 AM   #31
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doesnt matter, post-birth, pre-birth. they're both fine.


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Old 04-04-2013, 01:36 AM   #32
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anything under 3 years is abortable
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:37 AM   #33
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People will still have abortions even if they are illegal. If you're scared of "botched" abortions, then proper medical facilities provided by an environment that allows women to make that choice should be your goal man. Here is a read about what it was like before:
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Of course in a perfect world, abortions would be banned cause no one would need/want them. Being against it is really just refusing to understand the situation and choosing beliefs over the health of the population.


I agree with all of this.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:44 AM   #34
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If your concern is the principle of life not being in our hands, but rather God (or whatever it is), then abortion is bad all the time. Period.

Which is why pro-life, religious people never go to doctors.

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And for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm against abortion. It's possible to have botched abortions. That says a lot for me. The fact that an abortion can occur at a time when the child can end up alive once it's out... I don't see how someone can view a fetus as "just a pile of cells" if it can be literally seconds away from a breathing, crying creature.

It's stupid to say you're against abortion if you are only opposed to it in some circumstances (as your post suggests).
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:45 AM   #35
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I'm not even taking a stance on abortion, but I am pretty sure that "aborting" a baby after it has been born isn't an abortion anymore for that exact reason.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:54 AM   #36
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Which is why pro-life, religious people never go to doctors.


A doctor who hands out a tylenol to a teenager with a mild headache is as much a sinner as Lucifer himself before the grace of God.

Duh.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:18 AM   #37
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And for me, this is one of the main reasons why I'm against abortion. It's possible to have botched abortions. That says a lot for me. The fact that an abortion can occur at a time when the child can end up alive once it's out... I don't see how someone can view a fetus as "just a pile of cells" if it can be literally seconds away from a breathing, crying creature.

You're just a pile of cells.

Anyway, if this does happen, it's gotta be a hella premature baby, a fetus, cut the cord, it probably won't live long. I'd imagine these "baby's" are tiny as hell, and will have mental and physical problems. No one's gonna let them shove it back in their vagina, that'd probably kill it anyway and hurt like hell. If it does live by some miracle, put it up for adoption. I know if you're getting an abortion, anything near baby size is gonna hurt like ****, and I don't know how the baby would come out in one piece. Numbed cervix or not. I'm very prochoice, but once you think you're pregnant, it's not a good idea to sit on the fence for months.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:21 AM   #38
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I'm all for abortions up to like 6 months, but this is just straight up murder, isn't it?
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:24 AM   #39
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I'm all for abortions up to like 6 months, but this is just straight up murder, isn't it?

I think it's like a regular abortion, but the baby ends up outside and not dead. So like, it's still premature and has no chance of making it, the real choice is weather to terminate it there or try to keep it alive with science n stuff.
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Old 04-04-2013, 02:24 AM   #40
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Planned Parenthood representative says it's up to the woman and health care provider to decide whether or not to abort a baby that has been born.

So are you in favor of post-birth abortions?

Yes it is.
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