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Old 04-09-2013, 06:33 PM   #21
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What you said is perhaps the most ignorant thing I've heard on the board in weeks.


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It's forcing market share... like Apple do with tonnes of their stuff. Make sure you HAVE to use their shit with their shit. Meaning that if you wanna use PT you gotta make sure all your shit is PT compatible (which will probably mean it's not compatible with anything else.)

It's a loathsome business practice if you ask me.


Well then, it seems you agree with the most ignorant thing you've heard on the board in weeks.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:34 PM   #22
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It's only because so many big studios have huge pro-tools rigs that they can't replace it and that it's become industry standard... meaning that if you wan't to work in a large studio you pretty much HAVE to use it because that's what they use.

Doesn't mean something produced in REAPER is any less professional than something made in REAPER.

It's opinion. Use Protools. Use Acid. Use Reaper. Whatever. It doesn't matter as long as it sounds good.


Oh I totally agree with you but unfortunately I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. Even though Pro Tools is my DAW of choice I still paid for REAPER and use it often, in fact I was using it at a session in someones house a few days ago. And after discovering the white tie theme I'm tempted on using it a lot more for mix projects.

BUT, I think the fact that we have an "industry standard" is a wonderful thing, it means for people like me, who earn money from this, hardly ever have to worry about compatibility issues coming from a studio to me to mix.

As with pretty much everything in sound engineering there is no right or wrong, especially with DAWs, its just having PT as an "industry standard" makes engineers lives a fair bit easier.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:37 PM   #23
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Well then, it seems you agree with the most ignorant thing you've heard on the board in weeks.


No?

Well... kinda? I guess?

But the idea that using RTAS makes you a "pro" is BS and the idea that RTAS is actually better than VST and that you can't (in terms of quality and not because you're locked out of using them) use VST in pro work is also kinda silly. I'm not for talking about VST in a derogatory way.

I'm basically saying that PT have very cleverly locked lots and lots of people into using their software by making sure all the plugins and such you've bought for PT can't be used anywhere else, meaning you can't use them anywhere else easily even if you wanted to.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:08 AM   #24
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^95% of RTAS plugins come bundled with VST formats, unless you're buying a plugin from Avid, at which point is likely a TDM product and anyone who's using an HD rig could probably care less if they can use it in a VST-based host

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BUT, I think the fact that we have an "industry standard" is a wonderful thing, it means for people like me, who earn money from this, hardly ever have to worry about compatibility issues coming from a studio to me to mix.

No offense but 20 a song for editing and mixing is hardly making money.

That being said, I can agree with you on the ease of use. That's really the only reason I own Pro Tools, tbh. Usually I get a project, bounce all the files and then bring them back into Reaper, though
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I was talking with my 2 audio engineering coworkers. One interns at a local studio and her thought was "its a game changer and the best update to happen ever". My other coworker was just kinda meh about it & thought it was dumb that they were discontinuing RTAS support.

The good news, if you have a Pro Tools 11 license, Avid is also have a PT 10 license as well. So at least you can still use AAX & RTAS formats together, you just wont get the 64-bit audio engine which is the whole reason to upgrade to 11.

Did anyone else notice the new Fast-Tracks? They look good but considering the past fast tracks, its probably a pass. Also, I know iPads are cool and whatnot but does every new interface have to support it?
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No offense but 20 a song for editing and mixing is hardly making money.


Where did you get that price from?

EDIT: Oh it's on my website, that's old, it doesn't get updated because it doesn't bring any clients, I've kinda given up on it.
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curious to see how v. 11 holds up.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:59 PM   #28
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I realized Pro Tools wasn't worth the hype when I found out it didn't natively support VST plugins. That's some grade-A arrogance.

People who only know VST don't actually know anything about music technology or production.
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:32 PM   #29
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People who only know VST don't actually know anything about music technology or production.

now thats actually some grade A arrogance right there.
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now thats actually some grade A arrogance right there.

And also a strong contender for the most ignorant thing I've heard on the board in weeks. This whole thread proves my stupidity is contagious.

That last sentence is sigged in 3... 2... 1...
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so saying that people who only use VSTs dont know anything and arent worth consideration isnt arrogant? thats like saying someone who uses a free CAD program like sketchup doesnt know anything because they arent using AutoCAD.
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so saying that people who only use VSTs dont know anything and arent worth consideration isnt arrogant? thats like saying someone who uses a free CAD program like sketchup doesnt know anything because they arent using AutoCAD.

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It's not.

You're basically saying people aren't good unless they're using pro-tools.
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It's not.

You're basically saying people aren't good unless they're using pro-tools.

nope

I'm saying people who are fixated on VST don't realize it's just a format, of which there are many for the same plugins.

So do I consider someone ignorant for bitching about lack of VST support when there's RTAS/AAX/DSP/AU/MAS versions of the same products, optimized to work with proprietary hardware and engines? And of course sprinkled with hilariously amateur comments like "why would anyone ever need PT???" Yea, I'd consider them a big n00b.
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im not talking about people who are fixated on vst. im just saying that calling someone who chooses to use vst instead of other stuff (for convienence or whatever other reason) not worth mentioning, comes across as arrogant.

yes, there are other formats. and most (good) plugins come in multiple formats. and i also understand why there are other formats and why developers would want to use them. thats not my issue with what you said.
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m just saying that calling someone who chooses to use vst instead of other stuff (for convienence or whatever other reason) not worth mentioning, comes across as arrogant.
And I never addressed that person.
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then i must be misreading what you wrote. it sounds like you are talking about anyone who only uses VSTs. if thats not what you meant, i apologize.
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then i must be misreading what you wrote. it sounds like you are talking about anyone who only uses VSTs. if thats not what you meant, i apologize.

Not at all. People on Windows are basically limited to the VST format outside of proprietary DAWs. But many of these people, because of this little limit bubble, think VST is the plug-in itself rather than just one of many formats of the plugin. You can't deny that.
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