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Old 04-12-2013, 08:16 AM   #81
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I found this 1964 Gibson Reverse Firebird III. You may not like the Reverse Firebirds but they've been my favorite since I was a teenager. In fact, I've got a mint 1999 Les Paul Classic '60 Reissue I would trade for a Reverse Firebird in like condition if I could find one.

This one however, is an original. Looks like the truss rod cover is missing and I think one could find one in better condition for this kind of money.


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Old 04-12-2013, 08:20 AM   #82
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:38 AM   #83
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Thanks, Steven.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:13 AM   #84
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Just in case anyone didn't realise , it was for this comment

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there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for the comment in brackets unless somebody has some kind of agenda to push
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:45 AM   #85
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:29 AM   #86
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Isn't his profile picture and name enough to warrant some kind of ban? I'm not sure how it works to be honest.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:58 AM   #87
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As for general conversation, (1) how has the collector guitar market fared since the 2008 recession? (2) Is this a good time to get into the game? Or a bad one? (3) Have certain models dropped in value? (4) Have others gone even higher? (5) Are there certain segments you'd focus on? (6) Good deals these days? (7) Or priced too high, since everyone's getting in on the action? (8) Supply vs. demand? (9) Which one wins these days?


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As for general conversation,
(1) how has the collector guitar market fared since the 2008 recession?
(2) Is this a good time to get into the game? Or a bad one?
(3) Have certain models dropped in value?
(4) Have others gone even higher?
(5) Are there certain segments you'd focus on? (6) Good deals these days?
(7) Or priced too high, since everyone's getting in on the action?
(8) Supply vs. demand?
(9) Which one wins these days?


1 - it took a huge hit.
2 - it's always a good time.
3 - yes
4 - not really, most dropped some. the best stuff held on pretty well considering it was as overinflated as the real estate market.
5 - yes
6 - yes, very good.
7 - everyone isn't getting in on the action, where did you get that idea?
8 - as usual.
9 - cash wins everytime. there is still a supply and a demand.


1.1 - Can you share your insight?

1.2 - Can you give me some examples of how hard the market has been hit?
1.3 - Peak price vs. current price on a popular model?

1.4 - What segment would you focus on?
1.5 - What segment has the best value right now?
1.6 - Where are the best deals?


1.1 - Glad to, i just don't waste long replies when i don't know if someone is for real or just taking up space in our forums. you seem serious so i'll throw my .02 into it.

1.2 - The market got hit just like real estate did. prices dropped dramatically on some vintage gear. The vintage guitar buyers guide from 2007 would be interesting to compare to a 2009 or 2011 version. I haven't but now that i think about it i will next time i'm back by my guy's desk.

1.3 - But a couple years ago a friend of mine sold a '69 LPC in Ebony to guitar center for $7500. They listed it for around $9K. I'm fairly sure that guitar would have brought closer to $15k a few years earlier on the open market, maybe a lot more. for an example.

1.4 - well what i would focus on and what you want to do are two very different things. you mentioned pre-'65 strats, i'd support that idea. i'd also keep my eyes peeled for a pre-'57 les paul. i've seen '52s and '53s sell in the under $20k mark lately, in varying condition. those should hold value. occasionally a pre-'74 tele pops up cheap enough too.

1.5 - you're asking me to see the future here in a way. i can't say what is going to appreciate over something else. the good stuff holds it's value is about all i can say.

1.6 - the best deals are wherever someone needs cash the most. but you can find deals on various forum classifieds, g-base, ebay, craigslist, music stores. in all honesty, i'd avoid shopping on ebay unless you work with a seller you've worked with before. so many bullshitters out there, a bunch of risk. some of the online sellers listed here are ones i'd trust. elderly music and so on.

it depends on what you want. you say you want a vintage guitar to play that will hold it's value. most vintage guitars will do that so long as you don't get raped when you initially buy. but at that point it's not much different than shopping for any guitar. do you want a strat? tele? les paul? then figure out an honest budget and start looking around.

there is no shortage of good vintage guitars for sale out there.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:29 PM   #88
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Thanks for the specifics... I'll avoid eBay... 15k down to 7k is a huge hit... Good to know the market is far from frothy.... No one wants to buy at the top... This is why i I've waited five years into the recession to start making a move...
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:04 PM   #89
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well ebay is ok if you know the seller. some sellers are active on the forums and legit people to deal with. there's just a lot of scammers too.

what is your nearest major city?

edit: i just checked a couple nice sounding ads at tgp and every one of them sold on the first post. the vintage market is alive and well it seems.

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Old 04-13-2013, 03:40 PM   #90
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:29 PM   #91
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best way to make a million off electric guitars is to start with two million


I would look at early G&L electric guitars as the next big thing collectible..... these were Leo Fenders finest guitars ever ... there is a couple nice early 1980 G&L Broadcasters on ebay right now that are gonna go through the roof in a few years
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:56 PM   #92
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It seems like 50s Les Paul's will be out of my price range, so it's down to a pre-CBS Strat. That makes it easier.

Since it seems the vintage guitar market is not really a sound "investment", I think I will go for a mostly original "player" grade Strat. This way, it looks more vintage, and things like refret and pots have been done, and the lower price reflects it. Win/win. A better playing guitar at a much lower price, and less exposure.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:22 PM   #93
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it'd be interesting.
http://cnj.craigslist.org/msg/3713781289.html

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/msg/3689698076.html

leave this one for me.
http://southcoast.craigslist.org/msg/3697094191.html

refinished in daphne blue?
could negotiate that down a little i'd think.
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/msg/3734735312.html

which is why i asked where you were.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:51 AM   #94
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Thanks for the search and links. Don't you think that $5400 ad is a scam? I've seen that ad pasted for multiple cities. Price is obviously way too low, as well. The other $5000 is also just low enough to get suspicious, right?. Ad is very thin.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:43 PM   #95
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you have to scrutinize every ad and every guitar. i just posted some i found in a quick search.

the used guitars at GC and SA are also worth a look, i haven't even checked there.

plus all the vintage dealers, though some tend to be on the pricy-er side than even GC or SA.

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I talked to a guy who paid $22k for a '53 Goldtop in 2008. He recently sold it for $18k.
I also heard of a a guy who paid $18k for a pre-CBS Strat and is now getting about $14k for it.
About a 20% loss isn't terrible in a big recession. Could have been much worse.

I have a feeling inflated 3rd tier stuff took a much bigger hit, closer to 40%-50%?
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Old 04-14-2013, 01:08 PM   #97
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i'd post a WTB ad on thegearpage and in the mylespaul forum classifieds and see what pops up.

that'd be interesting.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:01 PM   #98
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$18,000 for a refinished 1960 Strat?
Seller says 2013 vintage price guide lists it $25,000-$40,000
What would you tell this seller? Any analysis of this guitar?
http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/msg/3730719753.html
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I talked to a guy who paid $22k for a '53 Goldtop in 2008. He recently sold it for $18k.
I also heard of a a guy who paid $18k for a pre-CBS Strat and is now getting about $14k for it.
About a 20% loss isn't terrible in a big recession. Could have been much worse.

I have a feeling inflated 3rd tier stuff took a much bigger hit, closer to 40%-50%?



Yes, to be honest I wouldnt bother with vintage stuff anymore. All the guys that used to collect it are dying out pretty fast.
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Yes, to be honest I wouldnt bother with vintage stuff anymore. All the guys that used to collect it are dying out pretty fast.


That's not necessarily true. Prices has retraced because there was a credit bubble and excess money chasing assets. This is a natural correction. Does not mean the buyers are gone. It just means they have less money, or more people are selling. You might be right, but you might be wrong.
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