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Old 04-13-2013, 04:01 AM   #1
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I'm assuming no amp can do this well?

I've slowly been getting back into guitar and I'm still using my Vox Valvetronix VT15 amp. If I keep up playing and practicing I figure in a year or two I should start looking into a new amp, but I thought of this now. I enjoy playing simple stuff (The Lumineers' "Ho Hey" and "Flapper Girl" come to mind - basic chord progressions) to some pretty technical stuff like Keith Merrow's "Pillars Of Creation" where the tuning is somewhere around drop A# or where a baritone/7-string would normally preside.

Can tube amps (I'm assuming tube amps are where you get your more natural/organic sounding tones) have really good/tight tone when playing with x amount of gain in low tunings while still sounding crisp on a clean channel? For example, I've heard EMGs are great for that thick/crunchy/metal tone, but the cleans suffer. Does the same apply for amplifiers?

Also, I need a ground-up education on amps and cabs. I'm sure there's a sticky here somewhere, but any tips/links/etc would be wonderful. Thanks in advance, guys and gals.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:16 AM   #2
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http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...=1588141&page=1

Lurk around in that stickied thread for awhile and read what you can, all sorts of info. Google is always good for learning basics.

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Old 04-13-2013, 06:17 AM   #3
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Aren't those Lumineer songs acoustic?
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:05 AM   #4
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In short... Mesa Mark V... I've got one that has the clean channel dialed to a chimey clean that'll is very nice and sweet with my channel 2 set for a thrash tone... and my channel 3 with enough gain for death metal.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:32 AM   #5
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In short... Mesa Mark V... I've got one that has the clean channel dialed to a chimey clean that'll is very nice and sweet with my channel 2 set for a thrash tone... and my channel 3 with enough gain for death metal.


agree MK 5 can do it all pretty well. your cleans may suffer some if your guitar is way downtuned and you are using high gain pickups regardless of maker. there is always a bit of a trade off when it comes to pickups. having said that a great amp can often overcome a reasonable amount of deficiancies.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:05 PM   #6
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Awesome! Thanks for all of the help. Highly appreciated

And yes, a good amount of stuff I play is acoustic, and I would really like to buy an acoustic-electric soon, which is why I asked about the cleans suffering on amps "made for" higher gain in mind. In essence, versatility is key.

For some reason I figured a Mesa Boogie would be recommended, as well. But the Mark V, huh? Don't know much about the price ranges of heads and cabs, but I guess $2500+ is to be expected for some.

At the very least I have a general idea of where to start so thank you guys for that Figured a year or two should be plenty of time to narrow down and choose a head and cab I like. Only downside is it appears Guitar Center and Mesa no longer do business (at least on their website) so I'll have to nose around for a dealer so I can take one for a test drive.
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Old 04-20-2013, 04:16 AM   #7
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It's possible, but to get genuinely good/authentic tones for different levels of gain from a single amp is gonna cost you.

The Mark V is an obvious example. To add to that, the most truly versatile amp that I am aware of is the Mesa Road King II. It can pull off pretty much any sound you can think of convincingly, though of course it can't nail a 2203 or a 6505 because it's not one.

You also have amps like the Sig:X by Fryette (VHT) that have a wonderful range of tones.

On the cheaper side of things, the Peavey XXX II (JSX) is a good candidate for versatility, though it's crunch and modern core tones can suffer.

You also have modelers, which cut to the chase on versatility. Instead of trying to be versatile on their own merits, they use digital modeling to produce a variety of sounds. In the high end there's the Kemper Profiling amp and the Fractal Axe FX II, which can both be dialed in to sound nearly-identical to real amps. Then there's more budget options like the Peavey Vypyr Tube, which sounds great for what it is, but isn't really convincing when it comes to actually sounding exactly like an amp it models.
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