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Old 04-14-2013, 02:42 AM   #1
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Lowest microphonic PAF's.

So you're standing in front of a 100W stack (yes, some of us still do that) and you use feedback like Santana and Gary Moore. You want lots of feedback but you want the strings to be the only thing doing it. ie. absolutely no feedback from pickup microphonics.
You want something PAF like, preferably a tad hotter.

What do you buy? What has the least microphonics?

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Old 04-14-2013, 02:51 AM   #2
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Old 04-14-2013, 03:18 AM   #3
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I think most mass market production pups are potted which reduced microphoncity. Is budget an issue? If not a Stephen Design?
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:11 AM   #4
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Not really an issue but one does have to account for diminishing returns. Cheaper would be better of course but I'm thinking more of "what would I save for?" rather than "What's cheap to buy now?"

Pearly Gates were the first ones that sprung to my mind. That's the sort of output I am talking about so that ballpark but exceptional lack of microphonics is the prime factor.

PS: I'm currently running pups out of a Gibson LP Custom. They have to be substantially less microphonic than that to give you a reference. The tone is ok but they feed too easily.
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Old 04-14-2013, 04:57 AM   #5
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Old 04-14-2013, 05:30 AM   #6
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Just to start a list.
If you want boutique...

Lindy Fralin Pure PAF
WCR Moore/Greeny, etc
Bareknuckle Mule/PG Blues/Riff Raff
Lollar Imperials

Carvin C22N/C22J and C22T

On a budget...
GFS has standard output Alnico II and V PAFs and a hotter output V.

You really can't go wrong with Dimarzio/SDs.

This is an interesting read, kind of old though.
http://www.vintageguitar.com/3602/v...shoot-out-2005/


Not be TGP-esque. I'm sure someone has had experience with some of these.

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Old 04-14-2013, 06:28 AM   #7
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Having everything shielded good will help with that too. Nice and quiet.
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:27 AM   #8
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Sputnick. I have GFS Fat Pats in my Iceman and I can't really play it in front of my big rigs because it feeds microphonically like a bitch. So I think we may not be talking about the same thing. Just because a pickup is high quality and/or sounds good doesn't mean it won't be microphonic. It's that element alone that we are discussing really.
To be clear, I play very loud.

I'm wondering if it may be feasible to repot the Gibson ones. I may have to do some research into that. Maybe a different brew or something that gives better acoustic insulation.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:40 AM   #9
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can you swap the ceramic magnets for alnicos and repot them?

would be a lot cheaper than buying new pups.
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:21 PM   #10
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My SD '59 isn't microphonic at all (at least compared to the Fat Pats, lololololol)
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Changing magnets? hmmm. I must think about that.


Yeah, the SD in my old Blazer is pretty good as far as microphonics goes too. The Pearly Gates option sounds like a good one.
Doesn't seem like many people are playing loud enough for this factor to be something that concerns them. It's a massive factor to me. The GFS pickups sound pretty nice but they are basically unuseable on anything but my small amps. I'd be prepared to take a hit on the tone if it meant no microphonics.
SD Pearly Gates would give me both good tone and low microphonics I think. It's at the top of the list so far.

So please guys restrict your comments to actual knowledge about microphonics. I mean you can say, "they sound good too" but don't just recommend nice boutique pups unless you specifically know that they have substantially better microphonics than a Gibson pup.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:00 PM   #12
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I wax potted the pickups in a strat I had given to me by my drummer, they were hilariously microphonic, put a bunch of mini candles in an old saucepan, inside a bigger saucepan with water, left them in there for around 15mins, completely fixed the microphonic issue of the pickups.

As for the suggestion, Bareknuckle Mule or Seymour Duncan 59 comes to mind.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:15 PM   #13
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Without trying them in your setup is there anyway you could know whether they are going to be microphonic or not? Since you can't measure it I don't know how you could tell without trying them. And then there's the issue of not every pickup of certain model is created equal. A pickup could be more microphonic than one of the exact make and model.

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Getting into specifics about pickups here.

I've only ever come accross 2 sets of microphonic pickups in my whole time playing guitar, both of them were very cheap pickups. Of all the Dimarzio, Seymour Duncan, Bareknuckle and Fender pickups I have a lot of experience with I've never come accross a pickup within those that was the least bit microphonic.

I really don't understand what the issue is here, it's as if you've got it into your head that microphonic pickups are normal. Perhaps cheap pickups you might find on very budget guitars or original unpotted pickups from 40-50 years ago, but not quality modern pickups.

Microphonic pickups also has a lot to do with the way they are mounted to the guitar, if there is for example a set of pickups on a warped scratchplate, causing the pickup in the slot to be tight, transfering the vibrations of the guitar through into the pickups, that can cause a pickup to feedback in a microphonic way.

So it's very important that a pickup is mounted in a way that it is not effected physically by the vibration of the guitar body, otherwise I fail to see how microphonics in a modern pickup are the least bit of an issue.
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Getting into specifics about pickups here.

I've only ever come accross 2 sets of microphonic pickups in my whole time playing guitar, both of them were very cheap pickups. Of all the Dimarzio, Seymour Duncan, Bareknuckle and Fender pickups I have a lot of experience with I've never come accross a pickup within those that was the least bit microphonic.

I really don't understand what the issue is here, it's as if you've got it into your head that microphonic pickups are normal. Perhaps cheap pickups you might find on very budget guitars or original unpotted pickups from 40-50 years ago, but not quality modern pickups.

Microphonic pickups also has a lot to do with the way they are mounted to the guitar, if there is for example a set of pickups on a warped scratchplate, causing the pickup in the slot to be tight, transfering the vibrations of the guitar through into the pickups, that can cause a pickup to feedback in a microphonic way.

So it's very important that a pickup is mounted in a way that it is not effected physically by the vibration of the guitar body, otherwise I fail to see how microphonics in a modern pickup are the least bit of an issue.


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Old 04-14-2013, 10:20 PM   #16
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Sputnick. I have GFS Fat Pats in my Iceman and I can't really play it in front of my big rigs because it feeds microphonically like a bitch. So I think we may not be talking about the same thing. Just because a pickup is high quality and/or sounds good doesn't mean it won't be microphonic. It's that element alone that we are discussing really.
To be clear, I play very loud.

I'm wondering if it may be feasible to repot the Gibson ones. I may have to do some research into that. Maybe a different brew or something that gives better acoustic insulation.


You should be able to repot the pickups I sent you. I don't remember having any problems with them at stupid volumes though. And by stupid volumes, I mean my old OD100 cranked to 10 before I got an attenuator. They did start to feedback when I got close to the cab though. I haven't ever really had problems with microphonic pickups though. My Throbaks aren't even potted and wouldn't ring or anything with my Cameron's clean (Plexi) channel cranked all the way up.
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He plays on 12. 100W amp on 12.


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I was getting away with it using a 4x12 but with the 6x12 it is a bit of a pain. It isn't taking off all the time but it makes it hard when I'm working a feedback note (so moving closer to the cab to adjust the nuances of the note). The difference in location between varying the string feedback and microphonic feedback setting in is too close and a bit onerous to control. You know how it is, microphonics takes off so you turn away and lose the beautifully sustained note you were working.

edit: I should say; I'm having no problems with my EMG's but when I'm playing Santana and Gary Moore I'm using the Yammy SG to get the right tone and that's when I'm doing the most intricate feedback work (of course).
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sheptone. i keep saying this cause they are incredible pups, nobody gives em love. i know many pro musicians, music majors, jazz guitarists that buy these things in a religious like following.
http://sheptone.com/landing.html

oh yeah, how about these guys?
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http://motorcitypickups.com

bare knuckle...to win the popular vote. nobody believes poor ikey with the boutique suggestions.....sure buy a seymour duncan like every dude in guitar center
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