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Old 04-16-2013, 12:31 AM   #21
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Have you checked the sample settings in the manual? Mesa really take a long time to dial in.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:40 AM   #22
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Do you have the manual for it? If not I highly recommend downloading it. I spent about a month with a Triple Rectifier playing and tweaking it, I decided to download the manual and I learned more about the amp in 10 minutes than I did in that entire time. If it's controls are anything like a regular Recto the treble knob is by far the most powerful tonal control on it.


Do you have a recording setup? I'm not sure what you mean by a "hole in the sound". Perhaps the Mesa tone isn't for you? What sorts of tones/styles/bands are you shooting for?


+1 mesa amps are a little different than most, and i didn't know about a ton of them until i downloaded the manual (this was all for a MKIV though not a recto). some knobs have more than one effect on tone, it makes it a lot easier if you know for sure what everything is doing. i had a little bit of buyers remorse on my MKIV, but avter getting it EQ'd in properly i absolutely love it.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:30 AM   #23
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Actually the manual was the only thing that the guy didn't have anymore. I had a quick look at it previously and dialled in some of the suggested settings, but it was by no means in depth. I'll give it a good look over.

By the "hole", I mean it sounds like a certain frequency range is actually missing, or at least greatly reduced. My best guess as to the reason is that it sounds like the upper frequencies distort more and are more noticeable, and cover over the mid frequencies, giving what I perceive as a hole. Then again, the same thing seems true of the clean channels.

It would be interesting to do a few recordings if only to look at the frequency response on a computer as a graph. It's a shame I don't have a tone generator, because then I'd be able to hook it up to my oscilloscope and actually get some meaningful information out of it. Doing some technical probing around the amp would be pretty fun, although unfortunately the schematics aren't available online (there's the road king II schematic though, which is mostly the same).

As far as tones go, I'm pretty all over the place. I really just want a versatile amp which can get pretty ballsy when needed. It's a bit of a tossup really. I like the sound of some high gain marshall-esque stuff (ala steel panther 80's hair metal), but I don't really like actually playing marshalls. Besides metal, most of the distortion tones I like are probably marshall based, but I still have the problem of not liking the actual feel of marshalls, hence the decision to go with the roadster, given the good impression I got when I played the mini (I found it to be one of the nicest I'd tried).

If I had to have just one tone, it would probably be a cross between the early Nuno Bettencourt stuff (pornograffitti) and Satchel from steel panther and with a hint of the screech you get in some of the megadeth stuff (think symphony of destruction solo). That's what I did my best to approximate with my old setup, and it was pretty fun to play. In reality I doubt I'll come close, because I know Nuno triple tracked most of his tracks, and the steel panther stuff sounds fairly heavily processed. I guess I'm odd in that I sound like I should be a marshall guy, but I don't really like marshalls. The thing which always struck me with marshalls is that whenever I played them they always seemed to have really poor definition in the lower notes, which is never apparent on recordings.

Finally, no I don't have a recording setup. I'm a bedroom player through and through. I'm not averse to the idea of being in a band as such, but it's not something I'm actively seeking. If I ever formed a band it would just be a "something we could do together" sort of thing. Plus I'm terrible at writing songs. I can play most things, but composition is not something which I'm any good at. Frankly it annoys me how people automatically expect guitarists to write their own stuff, but I digress.

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Old 04-16-2013, 01:32 AM   #24
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What are your COMPLETE EQ settings for the channel?
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:53 AM   #25
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What are your COMPLETE EQ settings for the channel?
As it's sitting right now (I haven't played since the evening, and I was fiddling so it'll probably sound like ass), I'll list everything. I'm leaving out reverb because I haven't really played with it much and it doesn't shape the overall tone much.

I'm using the recto over-size 4x12 with V30's that came with the head if I didn't already mention it.

Globals:

Solo = 0 (I don't use it, so it stops me deafening myself by accident)
Power = Bold
Output = roughly 3
FX loop active

CH1:

Master = 0.5 (Every channel besides CH2 is very low, otherwise it gets too loud and shakes the floor)
Presence = 6
Bass = 4
Mid = 6
Treble = 7
Gain = 6
Tweed setting
100W with diode rectification

CH2:

Master = 3
Presence = 6
Bass = 4
Mid = 4
Treble = 6
Gain = 2/3
Clean setting
!00W with diode rectification

CH3:

Master = 0.5
Presence = 3/4
Bass = 4
Mid = 3/4
Treble = 8
Gain = 7
Modern setting
50W diode rectification

CH4:

Master = 0.5
Presence = 5
Bass = 2
Mid = 7
Treble = 7
Gain = 7
Vintage setting
50W diode rectification

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Old 04-16-2013, 01:59 AM   #26
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Man, you know how to solder. Cut up an old power cable and solder a couple of phono plugs onto the ends. Don't make me come over there and belt you upside da head now. It's a 10 minute job, max. Hell, I've made them at gigs. Grab a jug chord, cut it up, solder on some plugs and plug it in.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:16 AM   #27
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Man, you know how to solder. Cut up an old power cable and solder a couple of phono plugs onto the ends. Don't make me come over there and belt you upside da head now. It's a 10 minute job, max.
Correct, I can solder. I'm planning on getting some right angle jacks in the next day or so, along with some sleeving and heat shrink.

I'll just use basic lamp cord or some wire I have lying around. The crap that goes around about oxygen free copper and *insert audiophile nonsense here* doesn't convince me. Provided it's heavy enough gauge then it'll do me well.

I'll probably go for about one meter of at least 24 SWG. That way I have a little overkill, and I know I can run to 4x12's with a little slack while still being suitable for 4 ohm 2x12's.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:19 AM   #28
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Man, you know how to solder. Cut up an old power cable and solder a couple of phono plugs onto the ends. Don't make me come over there and belt you upside da head now. It's a 10 minute job, max. Hell, I've made them at gigs. Grab a jug chord, cut it up, solder on some plugs and plug it in.

This is sensible...^^^

Then there will be a change in tone. Maybe perceptible. Then we can start to effectively assist in "improving" your tone.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:44 AM   #29
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I've used power chords for years, even on PA's. There's always some mains power cable laying around and somebody is always selling cheap extension chords if you need long ones. You just grab one with decent gauge wire and chop it up. Cheapest source of good quality, twisted pair cabling. You chop one of the wires off of course, leaving you twisted pair - just the thing you need for speaker cabling.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:17 AM   #30
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Actually the manual was the only thing that the guy didn't have anymore. I had a quick look at it previously and dialled in some of the suggested settings, but it was by no means in depth. I'll give it a good look over.


http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/Roadster.pdf

36 pages all in english i would consider in depth.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:58 AM   #31
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Made a speaker cable. Tadaaaaaaa.





Now to try it out...

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Didn't have a second sheath? I've had to do that at a pinch.
A thing to check is how well the tip is attached. If it's loose don't trust it. Especially with generic Chinese plugs. I've had tips fall off inside equipment. It's an indicator of how well they are put together. Even if the tip doesn't actually fall off, something's rotten in the state of denmark.
It's worth investing in good phono plugs. Ebay is your friend.
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Didn't have a second sheath? I've had to do that at a pinch.
A thing to check is how well the tip is attached. If it's loose don't trust it. Especially with generic Chinese plugs. I've had tips fall off inside equipment. It's an indicator of how well they are put together. Even if the tip doesn't actually fall off, something's rotten in the state of denmark.
It's worth investing in good phono plugs. Ebay is your friend.
This is just a temporary fix to get people off my back about the instrument cable. The wire was just some multi strand stuff I had lying around, and the whole spool only came to a little over an ohm end to end, so it should be good. I reckon it's about 20 SWG.

I'm actually more worried about the full sheathed tip to be honest. I canbalised the jacks from an old cable, and the wire didn't come off cleanly, meaning I had to hold the soldering iron to it longer than I would have liked. The plastic got pretty hot and gave off what felt like ammonia.

I tested it with a multimeter though and it seems good. I'll make a more substantial and attractive cable when I get the chance.
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Didn't have a second sheath? I've had to do that at a pinch.
A thing to check is how well the tip is attached. If it's loose don't trust it. Especially with generic Chinese plugs. I've had tips fall off inside equipment. It's an indicator of how well they are put together. Even if the tip doesn't actually fall off, something's rotten in the state of denmark.
It's worth investing in good phono plugs. Ebay is your friend.

oh my, those plugs can be quite terrible and cause ton's of issues!

Just get proper cable and jacks, it's not gonna hurt your wallet really.
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As long as your soldering is ok and you insulated each leg separately before binding it up it will get you by. I wouldn't try dragging it around to gigs but at home for now you'll be fine in the short term.
Check what I said though. Grab the tip with your fingers and try to wiggle it. If it moves duck down to Radio Shack and grab a new one while you're waiting for your Neutrix plugs to arrive from ebay to make the proper cable. Don't trust a loose tip. Things can go boom.
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As long as your soldering is ok and you insulated each leg separately before binding it up it will get you by. I wouldn't try dragging it around to gigs but at home for now you'll be fine in the short term.
Check what I said though. Grab the tip with your fingers and try to wiggle it. If it moves duck down to Radio Shack and grab a new one while you're waiting for your Neutrix plugs to arrive from ebay to make the proper cable. Don't trust a loose tip. Things can go boom.
Actually, it doens't have legs. I salvaged it from a moulded right angle connector. The outer connection is soldered directly to what would have been the sheath connection, and the centre connection is littlerally a little metal stub. I made sure to get as good a connection as possible, though. Given how long I had to hold the iron to get things where I wanted them, I'd be surprised if it was a cold joint.

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The danger there is melting the internal insulation. Your multimeter will show that up though and mechanically you can feel it when you wiggle the tip.
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As far as tones go, I'm pretty all over the place. I really just want a versatile amp which can get pretty ballsy when needed. It's a bit of a tossup really. I like the sound of some high gain marshall-esque stuff (ala steel panther 80's hair metal), but I don't really like actually playing marshalls. Besides metal, most of the distortion tones I like are probably marshall based, but I still have the problem of not liking the actual feel of marshalls, hence the decision to go with the roadster, given the good impression I got when I played the mini (I found it to be one of the nicest I'd tried).

If I had to have just one tone, it would probably be a cross between the early Nuno Bettencourt stuff (pornograffitti) and Satchel from steel panther and with a hint of the screech you get in some of the megadeth stuff (think symphony of destruction solo). That's what I did my best to approximate with my old setup, and it was pretty fun to play. In reality I doubt I'll come close, because I know Nuno triple tracked most of his tracks, and the steel panther stuff sounds fairly heavily processed. I guess I'm odd in that I sound like I should be a marshall guy, but I don't really like marshalls. The thing which always struck me with marshalls is that whenever I played them they always seemed to have really poor definition in the lower notes, which is never apparent on recordings.


I'm not saying a Roadster is not your amp but based on this post I would suggest looking at some different amps. To get a Marshall tone you don't HAVE to have a Marshall you know. There are probably hundreds of amps out there that are based on the Marshall tone stack and will give you the low end and metal tones you are looking for. I have very little experience with the Rectifiers, let alone the Roadster, so maybe my opinion is moot. All I am saying is that if you had come in here asking about amps for the tones you desire a Mesa Rectifier is probably not what I would recommend.

Electradyne? Maybe.
Royal Atlantic? Maybe.
Stiletto? Maybe.
Mark? Maybe.

As mentioned the EVH 5150 III and Splawn would be better along with some amps from Baron, Bogner, Blackstar S1, Cameron, CEC, Cornford, Egnater, Friedman modded, FJA modded, Framus, H&K, Marshall JVM/DSL, Peavey, Roccaforte, Rhodes, etc
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^ The Stiletto is an overlooked, wonderful amplifier, in my opinion. It's been a few months since I played one, but IIRC, it did metal without a boost without any problems.
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I like me some Stiletto but Splawn does angry marshall better.

the stiletto can be very ice picky.


TS check out the Kerry King JCM800.

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