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Old 04-15-2013, 08:18 PM   #1
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Help picking my next guitar

As someone, like most guitarists, who is plagued with perpetually endless GAS, I am looking into a new guitar. I'm looking for some opinions on what addition to my collection will offer the most benefit, as in, give me a new tone set, bring something different to the party, etc.

My collection as of now is a Squier VM Mustang, a Fender Strat (HSS), an Epiphone Casino, an acoustic, and technically a telecaster copy that belongs to my brother but I sort of adopted because he doesn't play.

Now I'm a sucker for aesthetics, so I tend to get swayed by looks over sound, which I know is bad, but I just love the look of a beautiful guitar.

My ideas for my next guitar are a Jazzmaster, a Les Paul, or a Thinline Tele. To me, and probably at first sight, the LP is the obvious choice for something different. But as I said I'm an aesthetic guy, and the Jazz and Thinline are both so nice.
So knowing that the LP is the obvious choice, I'm kind of looking to be dissuaded from the others...

So primary questions are...how different, tonally, is the Jazzmaster from a Mustang. I know the Mustang has SCs and the Jazz has P90s. The Casino has P90s but its hollow...I essentially love the Jazz for the shape, but is it going to be anything different or is it going to pretty much be something I can get, tone-wise, with my current collection?

Secondly, how much will a thinline tele sound from a standard tele? I am looking at the ones with two HBs instead of the usual config...how much will the semi-hollow body and the HBs affect the tone?


If I was to get a Les Paul, I aesthetically find the P90 Les Pauls to be nicer than the HBs (not a Jr with just one P90, but just a standard LP with P90s). Is there any since in getting one like this, or is the classic LP sound really the HBs? Obviously that's kind of true, but can I still get an LP sound with P90s? Or will it sound too similar to one of my other guitars?

TL; DR...see the bold, and thanks for any help.

For those of you who stuck through and answer any of the italicized questions, thanks for all your help! I truly appreciate it!!
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:15 PM   #2
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Definitely the les Paul if you are wanting something different . Also if aesthetics are important you won't be dissapointed by an LP, they are beautiful guitars. Nothing is sexier than a white LP Custom! Also all the 2013 gibbys seem to have coil taps so there's another bit of tonal versatility there. I believe dat lp tone can only be achieved with humbuckers too.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:29 PM   #3
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Definitely the les Paul if you are wanting something different . Also if aesthetics are important you won't be dissapointed by an LP, they are beautiful guitars. Nothing is sexier than a white LP Custom! Also all the 2013 gibbys seem to have coil taps so there's another bit of tonal versatility there. I believe dat lp tone can only be achieved with humbuckers too.


He wants an LP with P90's though...

What's your budget? What amp do you play through? What style of music?

Also, Jazzmasters don't have P90 pickups, different pickups in tone completely.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:33 PM   #4
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Sometimes, the most different guitar you can get of a given type is to look at other makers' idea of what could be.

I just recently bought a Malden Bad Karma- a knockoff of the LP- and I love it. It has nice hot pickups perfect for rock & metal, individual coil tapping and a subtly contoured and relatively thin mahogany body that is actually a bit wider than a standard LP. It is a limited edition guitar, though, and I don't know how many they have left:
http://maldenguitars.com/badkarma.htm

Had I had the $$$ at the time, I also would have bought Malden's standard LP knockoff, the Karma. Essentially the main differences are slightly mellower pickups, coil tapping that is not individual and a mahogany body with a flamed maple top:
http://maldenguitars.com/karma.htm

Another "LP" worth looking at would be Godin's Richmond Empire. Made in Canada, and equipped with either a pair of P90s or a HB and noiseless singlecoil:
http://www.richmondguitarscanada.com/empire.html

On the other side of the equation, I think you might like what Reverend has done with the Tele idea in the form of their Club Kings, Chargers, Flatroc and Buckshot:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/category/guitar/
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:42 PM   #5
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He also said he was wanting that classic lp tone, which is the humbucker sound, that's all I was stating. If the TC decides on a LP then we can cross the p90/humbucker bridge :p.
Also if you are open to suggestions on LP type guitars I would reccomend an ESP or LTD eclipse, thinner necks than an LP so should feel more at home to you with your current fenders, they also have the strat style belly cut, unless you get a Traditional one, they have the full thickness bodies and 22 frets instead of 24. I would suggest getting one without EMG's equiped, probobly more what you are looking for tonally. The 401 FM or one of the SD equiped ec 1000s are what I would suggest.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:43 PM   #6
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Danny, you didn't bring up Reverend, so I gotta do it.

This way you get the HB/90 configuration and a trem:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/inst...uble-agent-iii/
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:59 PM   #7
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He also said he was wanting that classic lp tone, which is the humbucker sound, that's all I was stating. If the TC decides on a LP then we can cross the p90/humbucker bridge :p.


Hmm, I didn't see that anywhere in his post. He did ask if he could get classic LP tone from P90's, which he can, just look at the '56 Goldtop LP for instance.

You need to go play some of these guitars if possible. At least to know if you're really into how any of them play.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:25 PM   #8
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Danny, you didn't bring up Reverend, so I gotta do it.

This way you get the HB/90 configuration and a trem:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/inst...uble-agent-iii/

I was editing to add it just as you posted!
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:30 PM   #9
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Sorry, I thought I was mighty thorough, and here I forgot my genre and stuff...
Well I guess because I'm set on these guitars the budget/genre/etc. that is usually important when starting from nothing is not so important...however, I do play mostly alternative/classic rock, I guess would be a safe thing to say. I play a wide variety of things, but for a lot of the other genres I already have them covered (play a little blues, but the strat suits me for that, etc.)

As for budget, this is rather unimportant as most likely I won't be going with a name brand for personal reasons...

You're right I should play them all to be sure...I have played an LP (Epi Standard) and no I like it, but I've yet to play an LP with P90s
I have played a tele but don't know how much this varies from a thinline.
I've yet to play a Jazzmaster however.

That is very interesting and I'm glad you brought up that the Jazz doesn't have P90s. So it actually would be a new beast for me then?

I'll look into all of these suggestions linked as well, thanks guys!
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:31 PM   #10
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I was editing to add it just as you posted!


I'm GAS'ing for a Warhawk HB so bad, it's all your fault!
Really though, Reverend makes a hell of a guitar. There's a dealer in my area that carries the Flatroc and Jetstream, and they are solid, awesome guitars.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:32 PM   #11
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I'd go with a lovely topped les paul with the p90s you want. Nothing beats a les paul with a gorgeous top on it. Plus they just feel fantastic in your hands. The weight just makes it feel that much bit better I feel. You know its there the whole time, the weight just makes it my favourite model of guitar ever without a doubt. Sucker for a heavy guitar haha

Or alternately, get a custom made guitar to be as different as your imagination can stretch.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:53 PM   #12
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Sorry, I thought I was mighty thorough, and here I forgot my genre and stuff...
Well I guess because I'm set on these guitars the budget/genre/etc. that is usually important when starting from nothing is not so important...however, I do play mostly alternative/classic rock, I guess would be a safe thing to say. I play a wide variety of things, but for a lot of the other genres I already have them covered (play a little blues, but the strat suits me for that, etc.)

As for budget, this is rather unimportant as most likely I won't be going with a name brand for personal reasons...

You're right I should play them all to be sure...I have played an LP (Epi Standard) and no I like it, but I've yet to play an LP with P90s
I have played a tele but don't know how much this varies from a thinline.
I've yet to play a Jazzmaster however.

That is very interesting and I'm glad you brought up that the Jazz doesn't have P90s. So it actually would be a new beast for me then?

I'll look into all of these suggestions linked as well, thanks guys!

No worries, you were thorough about your interests insofar as ideas are concerned.
When you say you aren't looking for name brands, does that mean you're looking at lesser known brands, budget brands, or something else? Sorry, I got a little confused by what you were getting at.

As far as Jazzmaster pickups, they're pretty biting, kind of twangy like a Tele, but a little rounder in tone. At least that's how I hear them.

A thinline is great for weight purposes, and the HB Tele (if you're looking at a 72 RI) gets nice and chunky, I find them great for rhythm playing.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:45 AM   #13
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Yeah, for the most part probably budget brands. I generally love the idea of modding and making it my own, and I love not spending much.

I know the consensus is generally you get what you pay for, and while very much true, I've always had an affinity for beaters. Hasn't failed me yet.
Some like a few ok, cheape guitars, others like one or two great, expensive guitars. I generally don't care what's on the headstock.

So for the thinline I'd probably be going with a Squier or an Xavier, maybe a used Fender...the Jazz would be a Squier VM, and the LP would probably be a SX or Agile.

That's interesting about the Jazz, I did not peg that. I always equate it to surf, but as I said I really just love the shape!

EDIT: I see you have a VM Jazz...how did it come out of the box? I know my VM Mustang, after a set up, was pretty much good to go. No major flaws. I know with the Jazz/Jags there are sometimes some bridge issues. I'd probably be dissuaded from the Jazz at this time if I'd have to put a good amount of money into it afterwords? (I know I said I was into modding and everything, but I only have the funds at the moment for the guitar, so I'd like it to be playable pretty much as is at least for a while).

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Old 04-16-2013, 05:39 AM   #14
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Try and grab a second hand Plus top Epiphone Les Paul?
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I see you have a VM Jazz...how did it come out of the box? I know my VM Mustang, after a set up, was pretty much good to go. No major flaws. I know with the Jazz/Jags there are sometimes some bridge issues. I'd probably be dissuaded from the Jazz at this time if I'd have to put a good amount of money into it afterwords? (I know I said I was into modding and everything, but I only have the funds at the moment for the guitar, so I'd like it to be playable pretty much as is at least for a while).


My Jazzmaster was actually pretty solid out of the box. I dropped in a mustang bridge and restrung with a heavier gauge, but it was good to go after that. I think I paid around $25 for the bridge and $260 for the guitar, so it should still work in your budget (use the evergoing 15% off at MF, or get a price match for the coupon elsewhere). I'm doing aesthetic mods to mine (dropped in aged pickup covers, currently matching the headstock), but that stuff is just fun for me, totally unnecessary otherwise.

Edit: I should also add, if you're looking at a Jazzmaster and want to forego the extra stuff, I would look at the J Mascis Squier. They're $400 new but can be had cheaper used or with a discount. Same basic idea, except the bridge is a TOM bridge (no string slippage), the neck is satin, and the pickups are a little closer to P90's with individual pole adjustment. I wish I had spent the additional to go this route over the VM, but, like you, I was more interested at the time in a guitar I could upgrade piece-by-piece. Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there.
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Good to know. Thanks man!
I've heard the J Mascis Jazzes are fab, but I definitely want a Red Jazzmaster I think, and the Mascis doesn't come in that I believe!
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No problem! The CAR Jazzmaster is awesome, and unfortunately the Mascis is only offered in Olympic white. Like I said, I dig mine, just did a bridge swap and got to playing. If you get one be sure to post some pics!
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Will do, the bridge swap is what I've heard most about and it seems cheap enough so I might go for it. Still debating though!
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I have a 1960 Jazzmaster and I love it. It's great for instrumental surf and the like. Has a warm clean tone. I only use it for surf (with an outboard reverb) and it captures that sound perfectly.
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hello guys, im having trouble with choosing my next guitar. i have 4 and a half years of playing and im starting a band soon, itll be diverse going from thrash to melodic stuff like the grateful dead. I dont want a strat or les paul shape guitar. mainly along the lines of king vs and explorers. mustaine and hetfield are both extremely influential in my musicianship overall, so something along the lines of that. i like esp, jackson and id settle with epis cause gibsons are too expensive. so i just need some advice and recommendations. thanks amigos!!
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