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Old 04-18-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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ESP LTD EC-50 or Epiphone Les Paul 100 HS

Hi,

I've recently started playing guitar again, but now I'm serious. I stopped playing games and play like 4 hours a day. I got an Ibanez Gio as a present 2 years ago but my friends keep telling me that one is bad, action is too high, I have to tune it every day, ect..

I absolutely love metal but also punk like Green Day and Chemical Romance and classic rock.
My amp is a Peavey Vypyr 15

I'm looking for a cheap guitar.
So far I've found these two that I really like:


ESP LTD EC-50 SSB Silver Sunburst

Epiphone Les Paul 100 HS Heritage Cherry Sunburst

EDIT: I've blocked the tremolo and I'll spare for a better guitar.


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Old 04-18-2013, 05:21 PM   #2
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I started playing on a cort-x2 and it was a pretty good guitar for beginner, but the tremolo bridge was sh*t, so the bar was unscrewed and forgotten, huh.

The neck is very comfy though and it's a sort of "light" guitar, I mean, that with a medium, or low tension strings playing is relatively forceless.

Give it a try.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:43 PM   #3
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I'm going to a huge music shop in Germany to test the guitars and the only cort they have is this one.

I also removed the tremolo on my Ibanez, it was useless.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:20 PM   #4
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Try some Squier vintage modifieds man, theyre pretty nice and versatile, the HSS strat looks pretty good, and you could always do a pickup swap and put higher output pickups in. The other thing could be some Ibanez RG/S guitars, you might find some used so try them out!
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:21 PM   #5
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I'd say the Epi, just becasue it has 4 knobs instead of 3. I'm also more familiar with Epiphones.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #6
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Personally I wouldn't get either of the guitars you mentioned. The ESP LTD is made by a really good company but this isn't one of their good guitars. As a general rule of thumb, avoid guitars made out of agathis. I'd also avoid the Epiphone. It's the better of the two if only because of the woods but this is a cheap and cheerful guitar that is being sold on the back of the Gibson association. You only have to look at the quality of the finish to see that this is awful. Regardless of the style of music you want to play, the best cheap guitar you can buy is a Yamaha Pacifica 112. The HSS configuration gives it the ability to play a wide range of styles, it's got a lovely neck and is beautifully put together. I used to have one of these even as an experienced guitarist and I was so impressed with it after a pro setup that I went to the bother of installing a set of Seymour Duncan pickups. It honestly plays close to a guitar twice the price.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:48 PM   #7
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My first guitar was the Ibanez Gio in 2009.
There is a trick to guitars with a strat type tremelo.
Just screw in the back springs deeper to increase tension of the tremelo.
This will make the tremelo flat on the surface of the guitar, acting like a fixed bridge.
Sometimes the backsprings are low quality, I suggest buying a new pack of 3 and installing it.
I don't have my GIO anymore, but I really did like it.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:24 PM   #8
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Don't know anything about the ESP but that Epiphone sucks. Try a bunch of different ones until you find one that you like the feel of.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:39 AM   #9
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My first guitar was the Ibanez Gio in 2009.
There is a trick to guitars with a strat type tremelo.
Just screw in the back springs deeper to increase tension of the tremelo.
This will make the tremelo flat on the surface of the guitar, acting like a fixed bridge.
Sometimes the backsprings are low quality, I suggest buying a new pack of 3 and installing it.
I don't have my GIO anymore, but I really did like it.


I'm gonna try this later, I hope I don't screw my guitar up.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:41 AM   #10
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Personally I wouldn't get either of the guitars you mentioned. The ESP LTD is made by a really good company but this isn't one of their good guitars. As a general rule of thumb, avoid guitars made out of agathis.



I think the site has outdated information. Didnt 50 serie LTDs switch to Basswood couple of years back?

Either way, 50 serie is a low end LTD and henceforth quality control may not be the best. You may get a good one or a bad one. (I do love my F-50, plays and sounds like a dream) But still I'd consider it a safe choice for beginner. Just take it to a guitar shop afterwards for new strings and proper setup and it should serve you well.

Personally since you already have a guitar, although a shitty one, I'd save about 100 more and go for something that will serve you longer. Still needs a proper setup by a luthier, all guitars do.


http://www.thomann.de/fi/ibanez_arz300_bk.htm (has 24 frets unlike Les Pauls usually)
http://www.thomann.de/fi/vintage_v100aw.htm
http://www.thomann.de/fi/cort_classic_rock_cr250_tb.htm
http://www.thomann.de/fi/cort_evlz4.htm

Just keep browsing Thomann. They have (almost) everything, there is bound to be something that gives you serious GAS.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:46 PM   #11
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Low end LTD's are all basswood now, and I would also reccomend one, my EC100qm plays amazing for its 200 quid pricetag.

Although the 400-1000 series is where its at, those MIK LTD's are stupidly good.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:02 AM   #12
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Wouldn't it be better then to just block the trem and buy me a nice ESP LTD H-351NT STBKC <3 in a year when I play much better? Don't know if bad guitars affect learning negatively
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:13 AM   #13
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A tremolo block and some new tuners should fix all the tuning issues . A bad guitar doean't necessarily hinder the learning process but having a nice guitar that plays well to you, and a nice sounding amp can really motivate you more to play.

Lots of beginners give up due to having a poor playing guitar and muddy amp, so they think they suck because they can't get a good tone, its a shame really. Although on the other hand you could say learning to play well and getting good tones out of lower end gear is good practice for getting amazing tones out of good gear.

edit: Having a poorly set up guitar could make you pick up some bad habits while playing that would be hard to break when you upgrade your axe, but like I said a tremolo block and new tuners would sort the tuning instability. As for the action you can just lower it yourself with basic tools, should be a smallen key for a term bridge, you can lower each individual saddle until you get some minor fret buzz then raise it up a tiny bit till it's clear

It MAY need a truss rod adjustment but that's if you can't get the action satisfyingly low without it buzzing or having dead areas.

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Old 04-20-2013, 09:22 AM   #14
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I wouldn't get either of those. The EC can be okay, but I haven't had good experiences with LTD's Chinese QC.

I would recommend this though, given your budget: http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/...-GIT0000803-001

The LP Studio has a set neck, and it makes all the difference. Bolt on necks on low end guitars are generally awful, massive bulky things. A set neck LP will actually feel the way a real LP is supposed to feel.

If you're willing to save up more, that's always better.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:35 AM   #15
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LTD's are actually made in.Indonesia and Korea, not China mate. Also, the LTD bolt in is all contoured nicely for pretty easy access tbh.

Also those epi lp studios have a stupidly thin body, its about as wide as a strat, they definitly do not feel like les pauls.
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LTDs are made in China (10-100 & 300-400), Vietnam (256), Indonesia (200), and Korea (600 & 1000), with some random variance in those assignments. I've owned a V-50, the heel was terrible. There is a slight cutaway on the heel that doesn't really do anything.


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The tiny cutaway doesn't do anything about the fact that there's a huge ****ing block at the base of the neck.

Look to Ibanez to see how bolt on should be done.
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:39 PM   #17
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Dude my EC 100qm has made in Indonesia on the back of the headstock.....
All LTD's are made in Indonesia except the 1000's which are made in Korea.
The "huge block" is just because of the thickness of the body, if the neck was set in it would still be that thick at the heel....
Ibanez just have pancake thin bodies, so obviously the heel is going to be thinner. It's to do with body thickness not the quality or methodology of the bolting.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:29 PM   #18
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Can anyone recommend me some tuners then? I'm new to this stuff.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:45 PM   #19
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Depends on how much you are wanting to spend, Grover, Gotoh and Sperzel are all good. You can get locking tuners to really make your tuning solid but they cost quite a bit more than standard tuners.
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Dude my EC 100qm has made in Indonesia on the back of the headstock.....
All LTD's are made in Indonesia except the 1000's which are made in Korea.
The "huge block" is just because of the thickness of the body, if the neck was set in it would still be that thick at the heel....
Ibanez just have pancake thin bodies, so obviously the heel is going to be thinner. It's to do with body thickness not the quality or methodology of the bolting.


Lol, seriously? Why are you being so obstinate. I know a lot about LTDs. This is stupid, but whatever: look for yourself.











I have multiple Ibanez and LTD guitars - an Ibanez RG is the same body thickness as an LTD H or MH or EC. The design of the neck heel doesn't have anything to do with the thickness of the body.


@TS I like Gotoh hardware. Any of the big names will be good though (Gotoh, Sperzel, Grover)
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