Go Back   UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com > Instruments > Guitar Gear & Accessories
User Name  
Password
Search:

Reply
Old 04-25-2013, 01:50 AM   #21
MatrixClaw
UG God
 
MatrixClaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Climbin In Yo Window, Snatchin Yo People Up
That was my issue with the Herbert. HUGE sound, but way too much lowend and low mids. The only way I could get it to sound how I liked, was cranking the mids and then using the cut to tame the low mid. Unfortunately, it also ended up affecting the high mid and just didn't have the sizzle I'm used to. To be fair, the Herbert was my dream amp for years, so in my mind, I'm sure I hyped it up quite a bit, but there's a reason its 180w. I needs the sheer power to cut through, as it lacks in the mids.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
MatrixClaw is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 02:10 PM   #22
mmolteratx
UG God
 
mmolteratx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richardson, Texas
Quote:
Originally Posted by MatrixClaw
That was my issue with the Herbert. HUGE sound, but way too much lowend and low mids. The only way I could get it to sound how I liked, was cranking the mids and then using the cut to tame the low mid. Unfortunately, it also ended up affecting the high mid and just didn't have the sizzle I'm used to. To be fair, the Herbert was my dream amp for years, so in my mind, I'm sure I hyped it up quite a bit, but there's a reason its 180w. I needs the sheer power to cut through, as it lacks in the mids.


Yea, that's another thing. The high end is dialed in pretty well to avoid fizz, but it doesn't have that nice sizzle/aggression either. I'm starting to see why you like the 5150/6505 so much, as really nothing I've tried that costs 2-4x as much is any better, or the difference isn't really worth paying for, unless you need the extra features.
__________________
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
mmolteratx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 03:31 PM   #23
MatrixClaw
UG God
 
MatrixClaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Climbin In Yo Window, Snatchin Yo People Up
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmolteratx
Yea, that's another thing. The high end is dialed in pretty well to avoid fizz, but it doesn't have that nice sizzle/aggression either. I'm starting to see why you like the 5150/6505 so much, as really nothing I've tried that costs 2-4x as much is any better, or the difference isn't really worth paying for, unless you need the extra features.


Yep, my feelings exactly
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
MatrixClaw is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 08:12 PM   #24
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
A man such as yourself could fine tune the response to what you like though - if you could be bothered. The way you're going through amps I'd think that would be the way to go. Find something close to what you want and then pimp your ride until it's what you actually want.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 08:16 PM   #25
mmolteratx
UG God
 
mmolteratx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richardson, Texas
Cath, you read my mind. I've been thinking about grabbing a 6505 since it's closest to what I want, and cheap, then modding it for less noise, less fizz and a tighter low end. Then replace the effects loop with something that isn't shit and maybe swap the OT for an O'Netics. Only downside is the clean channel blows.
__________________
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
mmolteratx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 08:17 PM   #26
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Perhaps mod a JSX for more gain instead? Either that or just run two amps, say a 6505 and a Twin.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification

Last edited by Cathbard : 04-25-2013 at 08:19 PM.
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 08:35 PM   #27
ikey_
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
thats just silly. 6 preamp tubes 6 power amp tubes. jesus. jesus.
__________________
Carvin CT624
Walden G630ce Acoustic
Carvin V3M, Avatar 2x12 WGS Reaper, vet 30
(crybaby, Fairfield circuitry Comp, GFS tuner, Vick Audio 73 Ram's Head, Xotic AC booster, lovepedal trem, TC Flashback, PGS Trinity Reverb, Walrus Audio Aetos power)
ikey_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 08:43 PM   #28
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Bass players have had to deal with that for decades. The king of bass amps, the Ampeg SVT, has 5 preamp and 6 power tubes.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 09:09 PM   #29
311ZOSOVHJH
G G & A - B A B Y
 
311ZOSOVHJH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Offline
What you really need is a Splawn Nitro.




....and Derek, wouldn't the Herbie be perfect for a studio? It's not like you guys are seriously going to take a Diezel Herbert out twice a week gigging.

Plus, Cath - Matt can afford to do whatever he wants. Part of it, I think, for him is just putting a notch in his guitar strap if you will that he once 'had' that amp
__________________
311ZOSOVHJH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 09:37 PM   #30
Ippon
Amped
 
Ippon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Left Coast
Quote:
Originally Posted by 311ZOSOVHJH
1. What you really need is a Splawn Nitro.

2. ....and Derek, wouldn't the Herbie be perfect for a studio? It's not like you guys are seriously going to take a Diezel Herbert out twice a week gigging.

3. Plus, Cath - Matt can afford to do whatever he wants. Part of it, I think, for him is just putting a notch in his guitar strap if you will that he once 'had' that amp

1, 2, and 3 +311
__________________
WTLT GG&A 2008 WTLT EG 2006 WTLT GB&C 2009

Field Marshall 7 strings/ERG e-peen
Ippon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 10:17 PM   #31
mmolteratx
UG God
 
mmolteratx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richardson, Texas
Quote:
Originally Posted by 311ZOSOVHJH
What you really need is a Splawn Nitro.




....and Derek, wouldn't the Herbie be perfect for a studio? It's not like you guys are seriously going to take a Diezel Herbert out twice a week gigging.

Plus, Cath - Matt can afford to do whatever he wants. Part of it, I think, for him is just putting a notch in his guitar strap if you will that he once 'had' that amp


I dunno. I can't exactly see it working any better in the studio. The VH4 on the other hand, I see being the perfect studio amp, and a I know a ton of studios have one on hand as their do everything amp. Maybe if you dropped a high pass filter over 200Hz or so on the guitar tracks, you could get it to sit in a mix better.

And yea, just owning a bunch of different amps is part of the fun.
__________________
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
mmolteratx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 10:29 PM   #32
Cathbard
Grumpy Old Tech
 
Cathbard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
I still say just mod a 6505 and AB it with a Fender Twin. It's not too big to gig with, you just sit the Twin on top of a 4x12 and the 6505 head on top of that. It takes up no more floor space than the 4x12. I am essentially using that arrangement at the moment - a 2x12 combo on top of a 4x12. You'd just have a head on top of that - no biggy.
__________________
Gilchrist custom guitar
Yamaha SBG500
Telecaster
Randall RM100
Abbey Harmonic II
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
Cathbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 10:46 PM   #33
MatrixClaw
UG God
 
MatrixClaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Climbin In Yo Window, Snatchin Yo People Up
Quote:
Originally Posted by 311ZOSOVHJH
...and Derek, wouldn't the Herbie be perfect for a studio?

How so?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
MatrixClaw is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 11:11 PM   #34
Ippon
Amped
 
Ippon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Left Coast
Quote:
Originally Posted by MatrixClaw
How so?



As I've said forever, VH4 >>> Herbie.
__________________
WTLT GG&A 2008 WTLT EG 2006 WTLT GB&C 2009

Field Marshall 7 strings/ERG e-peen
Ippon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 11:20 PM   #35
mmolteratx
UG God
 
mmolteratx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richardson, Texas
Did a quick topology trace, and they're very, very similar. Herbie looks to have a number of different values that result in a lot more bass being let through the preamp. Channel 1's are very similar, channel 2 on the Herbie is very close to channel 3 of the VH4, but with lots of bass, and channel 3 is basically channel 4, but again with ass tons of bass.
__________________
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
mmolteratx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2013, 11:28 PM   #36
Ippon
Amped
 
Ippon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Left Coast
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmolteratx
Did a quick topology trace, and they're very, very similar. Herbie looks to have a number of different values that result in a lot more bass being let through the preamp. Channel 1's are very similar, channel 2 on the Herbie is very close to channel 3 of the VH4, but with lots of bass, and channel 3 is basically channel 4, but again with ass tons of bass.

Interesting! So, you can make the Herbie sound similar to the VH4? The extra power would have a negligible impact?
__________________
WTLT GG&A 2008 WTLT EG 2006 WTLT GB&C 2009

Field Marshall 7 strings/ERG e-peen
Ippon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2013, 12:13 AM   #37
mmolteratx
UG God
 
mmolteratx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Richardson, Texas
I could, if I were to make a number of component swaps. The extra power would keep it tighter longer, though you really never have the ability to turn a VH4 up enough to the point where it gets saggy and crappy anyways.
__________________
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
mmolteratx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2013, 01:16 AM   #38
Ippon
Amped
 
Ippon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Left Coast
Any interest in a UL or CLX?
__________________
WTLT GG&A 2008 WTLT EG 2006 WTLT GB&C 2009

Field Marshall 7 strings/ERG e-peen
Ippon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2013, 07:12 PM   #39
MatrixClaw
UG God
 
MatrixClaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Climbin In Yo Window, Snatchin Yo People Up
The one thing I found kind of disappointing with the Herbert is that it's either speaking level volumes and is a fizzy mess, or is concert volume and blasts your face off. I guess it's to be expected with such a big power section, but still... It's not like I'm going to take my $4000 amp over to a friend's house to jam or tryout for a band - Forget taking it to a show, someone sees the Diezel name and I leave it unattended for 2 seconds and that thing's gone. You better believe that thing's never leaving my house, and sometimes I just can't play it at concert volumes
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
MatrixClaw is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2013, 11:42 PM   #40
311ZOSOVHJH
G G & A - B A B Y
 
311ZOSOVHJH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Offline
^ that's all I was saying. It didn't seem like the type of amp you casually take over to a buddie's place or take to a gig. I assumed it's home was in the studio - where the lack of mids (or whatever) are not as important. I don't own a studio though and I don't gig

Some back and forth in that thread on RT


----------------------
diezel herbert sounds like cd masterleads woith a tiny delay and slight noise gate.........perfect for pop to shred

----------------------
I find Herbert to be pretty squishy in the upper mids, bad for rhythm IMO but probably great for lead, how do some of the other newer Diezels compare?

--------------------------------
"Bad for rhythm" - really? Have you played Channel 2+ with a bit of mid-cut? It's the greatest metal rhythm tone I've heard!
__________________
311ZOSOVHJH is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:21 AM.

Forum Archives / About / Terms of Use / Advertise / Contact / Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2014
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.