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Old 04-27-2013, 08:11 AM   #1
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Question And now I'm a believer.... and may I be "forgiven"

Ok, You know, I'm a fan of MetalicA's works, and well... for years all I could find were CDs and crappy mp3s... And I thought it was just 'cause any of the "higher rez" stuff didn't exist or just was the same thing wrapped in a different package (vinyl, sacd, dvd-a, et cetera). (never bothered until recently to visit their site and thus educate myself)


Then I finally found a pristine copy of Metallica's earlier works on Vinyl! WHOLLY DEFERENCE BATMAN! I can hear all the instruments and vocals separately! Never knew they were this good! I mean don't get me wrong, I always thought Metallica were great artists. I just never got to hear how good they were/are via a wider separation of instrumentation and more room for the instruments to sound off via a proper master!

This all makes me wonder how many bands/artists I've put down in the past because of what I heard on their CD/MP3 were actually as good as what some of their fans said? I wonder how great the beatles really were? All I've ever heard were the REALLY poor CDs and Mp3s...

A proper master, with a proper medium played through proper enough equipment makes all the difference.




Then again, is it just me or are the vinyls for anything Black Album onward still just as bad as the CDs and Mp3s? I mean to me there's no room to breath and it's more and more head-banging against a brick wall the closer to magnetic you get?


But Man, I am now a believer in Vinyl and possibly 24 bit if they ever get around to doing proper engineering again.... any bands have proper engineering/mastering and worth going to the 180-200g 45rpm's now-a-days?
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:18 AM   #2
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:28 AM   #3
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I believe it has something to do with dynamic range rather than the medium it was recorded on. I once read an article about it somewhere.

EDIT: http://www.cracked.com/article_2025...ow-they-do.html

Scroll down to #4. I know, I know, "Cracked as a source? WHAT ARE YOU ON!?". This is one of their serious articles with a shade of humour than their full on silly article.

SECOND EDIT: Look up "Loudness Wars" to learn more about it.

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Old 04-27-2013, 09:38 AM   #4
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I've had the same experience with Iron Maiden on vinyl, simply blown away. Also, Beatles will hopefully do the same for you, and they're pretty easy to find on vinyl. Enjoy the auditory bliss!
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Old 04-27-2013, 06:14 PM   #5
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Thanks, and definitely looking forward to Beatles on vinyl!


Well yea, I know what you mean by it's not necessarily the medium it's put on, but you have to admit that 16bit CDs don't really allow a large dynamic range now do they?
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:27 PM   #6
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:19 AM   #7
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:06 PM   #9
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Vinyl is great. My grandparents have a bunch of old Beatles records, and they sound incredible. So warm.
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:53 AM   #10
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LOL, yea vinyl doesn't have more dynamic range, but you have to admit... they mastered a warmer and generally more dynamic sound on those good ol' vinyls. I mean some CDs before the loudness war are great, but still lack that perception of warmth you know? meh, yea subjective in some cases... but ...

btw, what is that album above "that is all"?
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:25 AM   #12
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Old 05-26-2014, 12:52 PM   #13
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Now go out and buy a quality DAC to wake up all your CDs. If you like vinyl, you will appreciate hifi analog conversion.
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Well, life can take one away from the usual places for a while can't it? Lol. Not to mention I thought this was dead after no one replied the day after. Finding a thread via the profile page like this can be a real gem though :P .

And yes LOUDNESS WAR!!!!! Pffft right back to ya.


And ... holy crap that's ... one of the worst sounding set of tones ever put together lol. Vinyl isn't all good, but still meh. Don't get me wrong, I get what this one's about I think, and it does have some decent stuff later on. Jazz and blues gone... awry? Guess it's all up to how high you are eh? And apparently they were... ... super-de-duper high. Reminds me of that one time I spent 24 hours smoking something funny and then recorded myself playing... then listened back when I sobered up... I thought it was brilliant stuff when I was high lol.
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Old 05-26-2014, 06:42 PM   #17
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And yes LOUDNESS WAR!!!!! Pffft right back to ya.

http://stereos.about.com/b/2014/02/...oudness-war.htm





Sidenote: You don't seem very coherent. Your posts ramble all over the damn place.
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And ... holy crap that's ... one of the worst sounding set of tones ever put together lol. Vinyl isn't all good, but still meh. Don't get me wrong, I get what this one's about I think, and it does have some decent stuff later on. Jazz and blues gone... awry? Guess it's all up to how high you are eh? And apparently they were... ... super-de-duper high. Reminds me of that one time I spent 24 hours smoking something funny and then recorded myself playing... then listened back when I sobered up... I thought it was brilliant stuff when I was high lol.


it's actually all quite specific and under control, recorded by Frank Zappa after all. just not your normal music. but besides Beefheart himself I wouldn't say anyone else is just freaking out on drugs or their mind.
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it's actually all quite specific and under control, recorded by Frank Zappa after all.


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I have no problem at all with the quality of most CDs I own. And digital isn't too bad. I try to keep all my MP3s at 320kbps or more, and quite a few albums in WAV format. But I do have a few records, and I have noticed particularly with old Metallica that it sounds better. I've always known Cliff Burton killed it on Master of Puppets, because I've gone out of my way to turn up and pay attention to the bass on the parts where it doesn't really stand out. But that album on Vinyl? I don't even need to mess with the EQ and the bass cuts through beautifully, even on the not-so-nice speakers hooked up to the old stereo. Makes the entire package sound tighter, because the bass is not only audible and awesome, but in its own sonic space. Makes the guitars sound crisper, and the bass drum doesn't get lost in the muddiness of the jumbled low end. Definitely the best format for that album. One of these days I'm gonna get one of those things to rip vinyl to digital, and see if it retains that quality. If it does, it'll make for much better digital copy than my CD rip.
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