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Old 05-19-2013, 06:19 AM   #61
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Its 'heroin', not 'heroine'.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:43 PM   #62
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Aaaaand I'm BACK AND MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD? Settle down people. Fact of the matter is that some people can play stoned, tripping, rolling, drunk, and speeding and some of them play better that way. Some can't play that way at all. And doing that in a recording studio is the only thing I would definitely call unprofessional. On stage, maybe.

Do you go to other people's shows sober? Is it unprofessional to listen to the latest Bowie while smoking a joint?

P.S. I haven't heard the latest Bowie, so I don't know if it is conducive to marijuana smoking or not.

Lets mix it up.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:35 PM   #63
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These are two unrelated topics. Musicians get stoned, humans kill other humans. In fact, it's not an issue if we kill one another. It's an issue in the US maybe. Somewhere at any given time, there are tribal purges and genocides going in Sub-Saharan Africa. Millions die, it has nothing to do with whether or not a musician decides to get stoned while he or she plays.

You do realize that the point of bringing such a point was to point out that the whole "those guys have been doing it forever" argument is bullshit, right? I really don't know why I have to explain this...

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In fact, I pretty much spelled it all out 2 posts above your post...

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Aaaaand I'm BACK AND MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD? Settle down people. Fact of the matter is that some people can play stoned, tripping, rolling, drunk, and speeding and some of them play better that way. Some can't play that way at all. And doing that in a recording studio is the only thing I would definitely call unprofessional. On stage, maybe.

Do you go to other people's shows sober? Is it unprofessional to listen to the latest Bowie while smoking a joint?

P.S. I haven't heard the latest Bowie, so I don't know if it is conducive to marijuana smoking or not.

Lets mix it up.

As a fan who is at a show, your job is NOT to be entertaining others. Your sole point of being there is to be entertained. If drugs/alcohol allow you to be better entertained, then fine.
But, as an entertainer, there's higher standards. You are, for all intents and purposes, a businessman/woman who sells music. By doing drugs or alcohol beforehand, you are certainly lowering the quality of entertainment you can provide.

I don't really care if people think "weed calms nerves" or whatever, btw. Of course it does, but if you have to smoke a joint before performing...then, you need to simply man up/woman up and ignore your nerves. Stage fright is not a good excuse. If you have chronic stage fright, then maybe you shouldn't be an entertainer.
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:35 PM   #64
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You do realize that the point of bringing such a point was to point out that the whole "those guys have been doing it forever" argument is bullshit, right? I really don't know why I have to explain this...

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In fact, I pretty much spelled it all out 2 posts above your post...
You've only "Spelled it out" to your own satisfaction, not to mine. For me it's a question of, (in many cases), "did the music come from the drug use, or did the drug use come from the music". If you're any good at all with abstract conceptualization, you'll quickly realize that's the "chicken or the egg" conundrum revisited.


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...[ ]....But, as an entertainer, there's higher standards. You are, for all intents and purposes, a businessman/woman who sells music. By doing drugs or alcohol beforehand, you are certainly lowering the quality of entertainment you can provide.
Again this pivots on whether or not you have enough "ability to spare", to have a beer or joint, and still satisfy the audience. I certainly hope your "salesman's approach" to the "business of music" works for you. It sounds boring and mechanical to me. That said, in the unlikely event you ever hit the big time, feel free to come back and rub my nose in it.

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I don't really care if people think "weed calms nerves" or whatever, btw. Of course it does, but if you have to smoke a joint before performing...then, you need to simply man up/woman up and ignore your nerves.
I agree you should try. But here again, this pivots on my "chicken and the egg" analog.

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Stage fright is not a good excuse. If you have chronic stage fright, then maybe you shouldn't be an entertainer.
This is the statement where you almost completely lose credibility. So many of the best, most accomplished, and awarded performers have described their experience with stage fright, and also have admitted they've never been able to fully conquer it.

"Stage fright", is mostly based on a fear of inadequacy of performance. As with any fear, it is a primal response, triggered by the "fight or flight" response. As with any "fight or flight" reaction, a massive release of adrenalin (*)occurs.

So, those that can conquer stage fright without help, could perhaps be loosely called or be deemed to be, "adrenalin junkies".


(*) "Adrenalin", is also marketed medicinally as "epinephrine". So make no mistake about it, it can be called a "drug of choice" for many people.


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Its 'heroin', not 'heroine'.
Oh sorry. I got into the "habit" of using that spelling because of the Strawbs song, "Hero and Heroine". It's loosely based on Homer's "Iliad", with the "heroine" wearing "fleecy white"(powder):

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/s/s...heroine_crd.htm

This is a great tune, with a shitload of fanfare in Dm. Verily, "Pomp and Unfortunate Circumstance". I know it's about Heroin< addiction, since the man who wrote it, told me so at a Strawbs concert in Ambler PA.

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Old 05-19-2013, 04:52 PM   #65
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How many people ranting about a musician's "responsibility" to stay sober are actually experienced performers?

After 120+ performances, I'm quite comfortable playing with a beer or two, as are most other seasoned professionals. It's actually pretty normal. Frankly, if having a beer turns your fingers to jelly you should spend more time practicing, because you just plain don't know the material.

When it comes to show time, the best music comes from musicians who are in a good mood. If that means the performer has a beer, who cares? Not everyone thrives on the stone-faced, dead-serious musicianship thing. Believe it or not, there are people who comfortable and secure enough on stage that they can kick back and enjoy a beer while putting on a good show.
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Old 05-19-2013, 06:08 PM   #66
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I don't really care if people think "weed calms nerves" or whatever, btw. Of course it does, but if you have to smoke a joint before performing...then, you need to simply man up/woman up and ignore your nerves. Stage fright is not a good excuse. If you have chronic stage fright, then maybe you shouldn't be an entertainer.

You are assuming that weed is a negative thing/will have negative effects, and that people HAVE to smoke. My point was that in my case I relax with some weed; I could play without, which is not a hassle at all, but I simply feel a little better when I'm high. Especially marijuana-use changes a lot over the years as well; I no longer get 'baked out of my mind' or lose my ability to do anything; I just feel happier, which ultimately is what I'm going for in life anyways.

Actually, my only issue here was that people act like playing on drugs makes someone a horrible performer or person, when I just say "do what works". For you, and for the people around you. If you know you're no good when you're drunk/high, don't drink or get high. But if you are perfectly able to do so and maintain a productive and social attitude, I really don't get the criticism. People who do a bad job deserve criticism, people with a different lifestyle to yours do not.

You can yell DRUGS ARE AWESOME or DRUGS ARE HORRIBLE all you want, but why not let everyone do what works for them and their audience?
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:45 AM   #67
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:05 PM   #68
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Old 05-27-2013, 07:20 PM   #69
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:21 PM   #70
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:09 PM   #71
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I usually drink a few before the show, one during the set. Anymore than 3-4 beers I start to play sloppy, but I can still play fo sho

Most bands ive been in frowned at you if you got too drunk before a show. A few beers is one thing, but if you can't drive you dont have any buisness being on stage.

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Old 05-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #72
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:46 AM   #73
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I noodle while high on weed on the guitar and clarinet with some bandmates (Play in a jazz combo). It helps with creativity, but it sucks for actual technique. I usually record our jam and then play it later when sober to bang out some nice tunes.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:36 PM   #74
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:26 PM   #75
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:49 AM   #76
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Each to their own I say, someone once said "If you're going to play drunk might as well practice drunk" to me and this is agreeable, but it's all up to the individual really. You've started this thread stating you can't play well even after a couple so don't bother if you want productive practice/playing.

Myself, when I used to do drugs I found speed was awesome for practice, weed was never that great and seemed to hinder my ear, nothing ever seemed in tune or I just got to picky. At the end of everything i've found sober/straight practice and playing is the best you can get. If you enjoy playing loose and half cut then do it, it's fun, but it's not a requirement.
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Ive never been in a band where its acceptable to play shitfaced on stage.

However, pretty much every show ive ever played, I had a good 2-3 beers in my before hand. Its just part of it honestly. Pretty much a rule of thumb you dont perform wasted, but there's a difference between tispy and wasted.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:44 AM   #78
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Drunk donīt work for me....but a little Buzz is good!! My band now has a 2 beer maximum before gigs...had some incidents with a sloppy lead guitarist that likes the juice a little too much and I find it easier to solve onstage problems when almost sober.....logical reasoning such as "guitar makes no sound=check that itīs plugged into amp" seems to be really difficult after 5-6 beers. Unfortunately the only one who could use a few (the drummer) rarely drinks.

...if I was in a band where the jest of it wasnīt lying upon my shoulders and I only had to plug and play I could see myself going onstage a little more tipsy cause even if it lessens my skills it really boosts my "wild-side"...and lets face it a band thats OK with a great stage presence wins everytime over a great band thats basically boring too watch!!
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:23 AM   #79
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We've all heard the stories about musicians getting rocked before a gig. Jim Morrison drinking a six pack before every show, Eric Clapton recording entire albums on the floor smacked out of his mind on heroin, Jerry Garcia tripping balls on acid, etc. I'm wondering if these stories are actually true.

Basically, when I drink even two beers, I lose all ability to play guitar. I have no timing and rhythm, I can't control volume, and I can barely even feel the strings. I do have a slight lack of feeling in my left hand, from shattering two metacarpals and slicing open the other two fingers with electric hedge trimmers (22 stitches), but my right hand is also useless when I'm sheets to the wind.

Is my lack of skill after drinking simply due to the fact that alcohol destroys any and all coordination? Or, should I just play more when I've been drinking? OR, is it just a refection of my skill level, and is something that I will eventually be able to do when I get better at guitar? Perhaps it is a combo?

This thread is not about any other drugs except alcohol, unless that is OK. I don't want violate forum rules. I am also 24.

it's different when you are addicted. you get used to it and then you find it hard to play without it. i used to be like that but with *other* substances. i know clapton said there was a time when he didn't know how to function unless he had double vision. your body gets used to it and makes that the norm and sober is like being drunk or high.
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im fine sober or stoned or on mesc or slightly drunk. the more i drink, though, the worse i sound.
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