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Old 05-13-2013, 08:23 PM   #1
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Arrow urgent! search of a unconventional guitar, the problem

hello everyone,
I am just trying to find the right guitar to me, and it's not going easy, even tho I live in London and lots of great music shops are few minutes away from where I live... but I feel like people working there are getting a little bit tired of me, because I'm trying lots and lots and not really sure of what I want. It's probably because I usually try strat's and tele's, and even tho I love them, I am never 100% satisfied with any of them, or if I am, the price is ridiculous, but this doesn't really happen because I try not to try too expensive things for my wallet.


Ok, so the thing is, I am looking for someone who tried Maaaaany kinds of guitars. Who experimented with the guitar sound, and has a lot of experience.

In fact, I may end up buying a strat or a telly, but I need to be sure first. Im willing to spend a lot of money (about 1500 - doesnt have to be that much tho) and I want it to be the right thing. And i simply can't make up my mind.

my expectations are not usual. I don't play a certain kind of music, there is no phrasing in my playing that describes my style. In fact, I really don't like the traditional sound of a guitar - any guitar. What puts me off many great guitars is the sound of a string pulled hard (with a pick)... The sound when a delicate ringing becomes a clatter, clash, hum... so i do prefer, the lower pickup setups on strats for example, but then, at the other hand, it often becomes too suppressed, dull, muffled (im talking of the low pickup setup with a low tone setup at the same time, so kind of jazzy sound, but yeah, very dull at the same time) ... some jazz guitars, semi acoustic ones, have better balance in this regard I think, but, damn, all those jazz guitars are like another world to me and I don't even know what to start with. They usually seem a bit boring too... I tried some of course, but they felt too acoustic, too much like a ''guitar''... ah, I know I'm being really difficult, and I can't even find the right words to describe things. Specially that english is not my first language.
What I like to play on a guitar are very repetitive, delicate sounds where the pleasure comes from single notes (or chords) rather than the whole melody, with a lot of rhythm amusement and rhythm combinations. and for that I need a good control of articulation, a beautiful sound with a soft string pull and a strong, clear, DEEP sound with a hard string pull. I say ''pull'' but you know what I mean.... I love when the guitar sounds beautiful on high notes on each string (also low strings high notes - mostly!) with this good balance of delicate and powerful. I know that the amp and maybe some effects will also play a big role here, so it's not as deadly serious (i mean the decision about the guitar that i will make) as this whole post seems. Im just hoping to get some interesting suggestions. One is for sure - i need a guitar. Even if it's not gonna satisfy me 100%. I was looking at some Nash guitars - I love the colors (i dont care so much about the aging, but i pay a lot of atention to the color of a guitar and i love pastel colors like turquoise, blue, soft red-pink-crimson kind of thing etc..)

anyway. if you think it would be helpful to give you some idea from youtube about the sounds i like, let me know, i don't wanna make this whole post any longer...

hope to hear from you asap...

take care brothers and sister!

greetings!

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Old 05-13-2013, 08:27 PM   #2
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Do you mean fret buzz?

Or are you really digging in when you play?
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:40 PM   #3
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Look for a used PRS CE22/24 it can do the strat sounds and the heavier LP type tones.

I am still trying to wrap my head around what your are actually talking about
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Do you mean fret buzz?

Or are you really digging in when you play?


what do you mean really digging in? I dont really play heavy stuff, just that i need the diversity of sounds when i play - from delicate to powerful and it's unlikely to see hear both of them natural on the same instrument - one will be a bit fake. also, it's easier for me to find a guitar that sounds beautiful with delicate sounds, and when i want it to sound dangerous, then it becomes too much rock'n'roll or just ridiculous - im talking just about the sound now, forgetting my skills of playing etc, because thats another story.

when I talked about my disliking of guitar sound I meant a normal hard pull of a unplugged guitar - this sound usually doesnt sound appealing to me, but i can make it more appealing with amp settings etc... Single notes on piano sound much nicer to me in terms of harder playing, simply because the ''ringing'' doesn't go like ''baaaaaahhhwwwww'' hehe, like old women breast.

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Do you hit the strings very hard when playing "dangerous" ( I assume you mean rock/heavier stuff ) if thats the case, no guitar will ever fit your criteria, its what happens when you hit the strings harder.
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I think TS is talking about playing dynamics Tom.

Am I correct TS? you want a guitar that can pickup and translate the softer nuances then the meaty riffs but still able to get a creamy/liquid tone?
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Do you hit the strings very hard when playing "dangerous" ( I assume you mean rock/heavier stuff ) if thats the case, no guitar will ever fit your criteria, its what happens when you hit the strings harder.


not extremely hard, just hard. and I like when the ring becomes more dark (no distortion, just dark) rather than a ''splash'' , there must be guitar like this, i just can't name it right...

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I think TS is talking about playing dynamics Tom.

Am I correct TS? you want a guitar that can pickup and translate the softer nuances then the meaty riffs but still able to get a creamy/liquid tone?


yes dynamics, for sure.
creamy/liquid - yes, I think so.

once I went to a shop in Denmark street, they had really weird guitars, i tried some, some seemed veeery interesting , and even tho the price was quite big, they seemed a little bit cheap, like some frets wouldn't sound right. But it was like a cheap version of a really interesting guitar, just that it wasn't cheap (in price)... and there were looots and lots of those different guitars but it's like with perfums after trying few you feel lost so I thought maybe you guys can suggest me something, if you know a lot of different makes...

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Hmm ....

Mahogany guitar bodies most often ring out darkish.

And just buy good dynamic pickups.


Also, you definitely want a tube amp, but with a low to medium gain setting.
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You can use any guitar for any music if your amp and guitar electronics are decent.

Are you looking for an unconventional guitar shape?
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You can use any guitar for any music if your amp and guitar electronics are decent.

Are you looking for an unconventional guitar shape?


shape? no. sound.

what can you say about nashguitars in temrs of what you get for the price...
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Hmm ....

Mahogany guitar bodies most often ring out darkish.

And just buy good dynamic pickups.


Also, you definitely want a tube amp, but with a low to medium gain setting.

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Can you post a clip of what it is you play? I think I can speak for most everyone here when I say we have absolutely no idea what it is you're trying to a achieve.
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shape? no. sound.

what can you say about nashguitars in temrs of what you get for the price...

I have only seen 1 nash (you are talking about the relic company right)before. It played very well and sounded great. I doubt I would ever pay for one though
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Can you post a clip of what it is you play? I think I can speak for most everyone here when I say we have absolutely no idea what it is you're trying to a achieve.


yes yes, I know, actually i feel the same - i have no idea. there are some sounds that i know and I really like - but they are mostly played on strats and tellies... my imagination goes a little bit further, hence all this strange descriptions! I mutate the things i heard and loved into what i would love to hear and play - so if i give you those songs they will be just as helpful as misleading at the same time!
i play on a cheap strat for about 10 years and actually i love it, even tho its cheap, it sounds dirty, kind of clear, but cheap of course, but its ok - i put thick strings on it. just that its out of tune all the time - freaking unpredictable cheap guitar. i need something better. to be honest, im so desperate i will probably end up buying a start...
i tried this one today:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uYiAJoGp0o

and this one
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGS_119aQY


they both sounded ok. dont think i could decide... i know its actually against what i was talking about, but i will probably just use this to become famous then buy whatever i want... ahahha

ok, having said all that, if i decided to buy a telly or a strat, what pickups would you recommend for me? i usually like the duncan, it has nice melancholy to it, but what has good dynamics etc?

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for instance, i love the deepness of sound of this telly (im not sure if im not mislead by the bass tho) - but i can predict it's strong high notes wouldn't amuse me...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGvtpHsh3So


because it would sound like this i think:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svzv-YkUzdk


and i know its only Bill that makes thiis so amazing, not the guitar. i mean, im not looking for the guitar that will make me sound good - hehe - just that in this case i want to say i dont like the guitar, i like the guitarist....

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Old 05-14-2013, 01:53 AM   #17
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Any of these companies produce high-quality guitars in many familiar forms:

G&L
http://www.glguitars.com/instrument...itars/index.asp

GODIN
http://godinguitars.com/godinproductlistingp.htm

FRET-KING
http://www.fret-king.com/intro.htm

US MASTERS
http://www.usmasters.com/allmodels.htm

STEVENS UK
http://www.stevenscustomguitars.co.uk/index.html


These companies offer guitars that are a little different in some way:

MOOG (special pickups & electronics with unique capabilities)
http://www.moogmusic.com/products/Moog-Guitars

FERNANDES (Sustainer pickups in the higher-end models in each line)
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/pro.../jp-series.html

REVEREND (Korina bodies and the Bass Contour control)
http://www.reverendguitars.com/category/guitar/
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There is also this:

VISIONARY INSTRUMENTS
http://visionaryinstruments.com/
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Any of these companies produce high-quality guitars in many familiar forms:

G&L
http://www.glguitars.com/instrument...itars/index.asp

GODIN
http://godinguitars.com/godinproductlistingp.htm

FRET-KING
http://www.fret-king.com/intro.htm

US MASTERS
http://www.usmasters.com/allmodels.htm

STEVENS UK
http://www.stevenscustomguitars.co.uk/index.html


These companies offer guitars that are a little different in some way:

MOOG (special pickups & electronics with unique capabilities)
http://www.moogmusic.com/products/Moog-Guitars

FERNANDES (Sustainer pickups in the higher-end models in each line)
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/pro.../jp-series.html

REVEREND (Korina bodies and the Bass Contour control)
http://www.reverendguitars.com/category/guitar/


thank you, but the question is, have you tried them, would you be able to describe the tone and action of some of those guitars?
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