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Old 06-24-2013, 10:47 PM   #21
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"No copyright intended" is my favourite. Yeah, a copyright was most definitely intended - by the creator, not the jackass who thinks its okay to violate someone else's copyright.

That one's simple. They just don't know what the word "copyright" even means, but other people do it, and monkey see, monkey do. Magical anti-lawyer amulets etc.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:21 PM   #22
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That one's simple. They just don't know what the word "copyright" even means, but other people do it, and monkey see, monkey do. Magical anti-lawyer amulets etc.

I still die a little inside whenever I see that. I eagerly await the day where it no longer bothers me haha
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:40 AM   #23
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There is no copyright at ALL until someone takes actions to protect there material.

to dumb it down, you can do what you want until someone tells you to STOP ( you tube taking it down ) or PAY them.

if you choose to fight you have to prove your right and disprove there right for $$

you can wank your lawyer knowledge all you want these are the facts.

How many youtube posters have been SUED or taken to court over posting You tube video's ?

I would say 99.99% have just been taken down.. no legal action.

if your a business making money or gaining advantage from using someone elses Material ( commercial adverts Promotion etc ) Be prepared to get sued BIG TIME because the Value and the compensation and missuses of someone else is a creativity is a HUGELY complex area that is on the side of the Creator.

your not any where near that area posting to youtube, most of the legal issues are on Youtube's shoulders so your safe. GO HARD !!
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I used to do lots of covers with the song in the background. They all got marked and have ads on them, and one got deleted and lost forever.

Nowadays I don't play the song in the background at all and I still get "matched" somehow, but there doesn't seem to be any ads so that's cool. Although it is a lot more work to recreate the entire song rather than just doing a guitar cover
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There is no copyright at ALL until someone takes actions to protect there material.

This is completely and 100% incorrect. Copyright exists the moment something is created and put down in tangible format. That does not mean it is protected, but the material is copyrighted.
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This is completely and 100% incorrect. Copyright exists the moment something is created and put down in tangible format. That does not mean it is protected, but the material is copyrighted.


YES everything is protected if you post your song to sound cloud it is copyrighted / protected
BUT the next logic question is copyrighted/protection from what ?

copyright is needed when something is used Incorrectly OR used without permission

if you wish to read the letter of the law go ahead BUT please take it one step past the book into what happens in the real world,. Not just try & win a debate on a internet forum.

OK a lawyer can sue everyone and waste a Shit load of time and money.
But who's PAYING the Lawyer ?

in the real world it means a music store can use an copyrighted album cover to sell music
and you can have a party playing some's else copyrighted music WITHOUT lawyers getting involved. SO much copyright infringement is done all over that the lawyers only come in IF it is needed.

Copyright's first action is to STOP misuses ( youtube takes it down if it infringes ) Jason Bieber was discovered by doing cover versions on youtube & the internet is FULL of covers versions Youtube lets it happen, record companies let it be, Artists let it be, Lawyers let it be, Man the whole karaoke industry breaks copyright laws if we read it as you seem to.

Copyright's the second action is to recover damages and losses of that miss uses that is something you need to Pay lawyers for
A/ to prove money or value was gained
B/ to prove value was taken away from the author ( pretty hard to prove but has been done many times )



My opinion is only related to this Thread subjects - IMO Your totally fine to post to Youtube on anything, let them sort it out and don't get upset if they take it down.

any more talk about the details of international copyright laws on the UG forums is abit much isn't ? plus we could go on forever, I've had short Film and Music copyright issues and it's a very messy subject, you could even win the debate Who cares we then have to then go to court and PAY $$$$$ to find the real winner and sit thought day of even More BS and have it cost Silly amounts of $$$.

WHAT Crap !!! do what you want, don't hurt anyone and have a happy life, who gives a SH## about copyright Laws unless your Apple VS Samsung.
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YES everything is protected if you post your song to sound cloud it is copyrighted / protected
BUT the next logic question is copyrighted/protection from what ?

copyright is needed when something is used Incorrectly OR used without permission

if you wish to read the letter of the law go ahead BUT please take it one step past the book into what happens in the real world,. Not just try & win a debate on a internet forum.

OK a lawyer can sue everyone and waste a Shit load of time and money.
But who's PAYING the Lawyer ?

in the real world it means a music store can use an copyrighted album cover to sell music
and you can have a party playing some's else copyrighted music WITHOUT lawyers getting involved. SO much copyright infringement is done all over that the lawyers only come in IF it is needed.


Copyright's first action is to STOP misuses ( youtube takes it down if it infringes ) Jason Bieber was discovered by doing cover versions on youtube & the internet is FULL of covers versions Youtube lets it happen, record companies let it be, Artists let it be, Lawyers let it be, Man the whole karaoke industry breaks copyright laws if we read it as you seem to.

Copyright's the second action is to recover damages and losses of that miss uses that is something you need to Pay lawyers for
A/ to prove money or value was gained
B/ to prove value was taken away from the author ( pretty hard to prove but has been done many times )



My opinion is only related to this Thread subjects - IMO Your totally fine to post to Youtube on anything, let them sort it out and don't get upset if they take it down.

any more talk about the details of international copyright laws on the UG forums is abit much isn't ? plus we could go on forever, I've had short Film and Music copyright issues and it's a very messy subject, you could even win the debate Who cares we then have to then go to court and PAY $$$$$ to find the real winner and sit thought day of even More BS and have it cost Silly amounts of $$$.

WHAT Crap !!! do what you want, don't hurt anyone and have a happy life, who gives a SH## about copyright Laws unless your Apple VS Samsung.

I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a debate haha it's one person saying something completely inaccurate, another correcting them with facts, and then the first person getting all huffy.

Re: the italicized portion above...neither of those is copyright infringement. The album artwork is copyrighted, but it's serving its intentional purpose by advertising the album. I have no idea why you think putting it on a shelf is infringement.

Also, playing music at a party is a private use and therefore not infringement of copyright. Playing music at a bar is something that the bar owner pays a blanket license to ASCAP/BMI/SESAC to get performance royalties back in artists' pockets.

90%+ of karaoke bars pay these licenses to legitimize their business. That 'industry' is completely legitimate and recognized/supported by publishers.


Again, my point here isn't to tell people to do not not to do something, it's just to make it clear what's right and what's wrong. A few people above have said that it's very useful, and it absolutely has a place here on the forums. I know many of us strive to work as legitimately as possible, especially those of us who run a pro studio or have a band that is semi-pro or professional, but don't have a business manager to walk them through this stuff.

Personally, I went 100% legitimate this past year, when I found myself in a place where I could afford to. Deleted all pirated software, bought new stuff, and I don't have any unlicensed cover material out in the wild. A year ago, neither of those things were true.

It's important to know the laws and how the world works, and don't wreck anyone's livelihood (yours OR theirs). License things once you're on the level where you need to, when you can afford it (ps all publishers that I'm aware of will give free licenses for any student projects to support young folks studying hard trying to make it!).
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I have have owned all my software for nearly 20 years... & I'm pretty sure i spend afew more zero then most...

Music stores Are using someones Copyright material (album cover) as there art work to promote there business by copyright law it's legal, its just the Artist choose NOT to challenge uses in that way. the same law that say's you can't use a picture of a McDonald big mac to sell your hamburgers

a party IS a pubic event that has not paid any license to play to a large group of people who have NOT paid for the album. by copyright law it's legal, just like you can not organize movies showing in large number.

karaoke bar ? really how many do you know ? & where do they get there midi tracks from ?


my point here is personal uses or anything near youtube is NOT an issue in any way be free have fun.

for example

Animation and film students are told to get audio tracks or scenes from movies and redo them, these student then show the finished product to the studio who made them ( Pixar Dreamwork etc ) and get jobs !!!

playing covers live is NOT in any way challenged BUT by the word of the law there is ground to. BUT NO one pay's a cent of royalty's live due to the complex issues it will raise. so they leave it well alone.

NO one cares no lawyer will sue you for being a person with pursuing their passion.

BUT if your a freelancer, business or anyone who tries to profit from someones else work, I hope you get your ass sue off to the bones in your neck.
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Man, I don't have time right now to go through one-by-one and show you have EVERYTHING you just said is incorrect. Literally EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID is wrong.

Album artwork in a music store? The albums were provided by the distributor, and marketing materials were provided by the label. There are contracts between the store-distributor-label that permit everything going on. It would be illegal if your store's logo had the DSOTM prism in the middle of it, but not if there was a DSOTM poster hanging inside the store, or even in the window.

Parties (like in a frat house for example) are private events. Public parties in a club or whatever are covered by performance royalties. An organized movie showing is just that, and organized showing. A party is not organized solely to listen to one CD and go home after (obviously there are listening parties, but those are STILL covered by performance royalties).

Playing covers live is legal and encouraged and the original artist will actually get a royalty from it. The venue owners all have (or are supposed to have, most do) blanket licenses from the performing rights societies that pay out to the writers of the songs that were covered or played on the radio in the bar. If the venue has a liquor license, they probably have licenses with ASCAP and BMI too.

The major publisher that I work for has a section in our database for karaoke licenses, and it is full of them, and there are companies that legally produce and distribute karaoke tracks and pay the royalties on them.


Can I ask where you're getting all of your information? It's just so blatantly incorrect, it's kind of scary.
Edit: that last line was kind of rude. I'm sorry if I seem rude, I'm just passionate. Here's a smiley face to make it up to you:

PS. I will say it again, though I've said in in every post so far for the most part:
I share the opinion that uploading to YouTube will not be an issue. It just won't. I mean, don't upload a whole CD, but cover songs to your heart's content. I support that.

The only thing I'm fighting here is misinformation that only breeds further misinformation and confusion.
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Thanks for helping spread proper information, Sid. It's refreshing to hear accurate facts, rather than the misinformed sentiments that seem to get perpetuated by the uninformed masses who seem to base their so-called "knowledge" on what they personally feel to be just. Or something.

I wait with baited breath (though not necessarily in the best possible way) to see what comes next here.



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No worries! It's something I know quite a bit about, and really love talking about and learning more about (there are some surprisingly cool things going on in the modern music industry - it is NOT dead, I can tell you that).

I think I'm running out of new things to say to the same old myths, but I'm happy to stick around and answer questions/correct misinformation (as politely as I can).

I'm happy to take specific questions, that's easier than giant lists of craziness. Can't give official legal advice, but I'm happy to advise on anything music rights-related, even if y'all aren't my real-life clients
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There is a copyright for dummies sticky in the "bandleading" subforum. If you're interested in checking that out and offering any advice, or identifying anything that is missing, I'd be interested in making those revisions.

I'm quite interested in this stuff too.


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Album artwork in a music store? The albums were provided by the distributor, and marketing materials were provided by the label. There are contracts between the store-distributor-label that permit everything going on. It would be illegal if your store's logo had the DSOTM prism in the middle of it, but not if there was a DSOTM poster hanging inside the store, or even in the window.


Real World have you ever seen this Contract where retailer gets usage right for Distributor/manufacturers corporate images ?

Sorry there's no such thing, reseller rights to use Images in implied But never sign over too. This leaves the owner in full control and can use the full extent of the law to control there corporate images.

why do you think Walmart, Target etc take there OWN pictures of the products they sell ?
answer "so they have control"

what would this document say ? a custom contact would cost too much & and standard contract would have holes.

if it was a standard contract and then if business owner "Ted" signed a contact for Dewalt tools images for his business, He could then make a porn " Drilling with Ted" with Dewalt images used on the cover. ?

there are no contracts your talking BS.

copyright law in the real world is More about where it is applied and the money spent to apply it then what the words really say.

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Parties (like in a frat house for example) are private events. Public parties in a club or whatever are covered by performance royalties. An organized movie showing is just that, and organized showing. A party is not organized solely to listen to one CD and go home after (obviously there are listening parties, but those are STILL covered by performance royalties).


what about rave parties, Open House party's, shopping mails where you hear music ?
(YES performance royalties cover clubs etc ) But they do not cover alot of other places and there's no legal action ? ) the most you will ever see is Performing Right Associations pushing for venues where music is played to join or pay fees NO one gets sued for copyright infringement.

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Playing covers live is legal and encouraged and the original artist will actually get a royalty from it. The venue owners all have (or are supposed to have, most do) blanket licenses from the performing rights societies that pay out to the writers of the songs that were covered or played on the radio in the bar. If the venue has a liquor license, they probably have licenses with ASCAP and BMI too.


it's great you live in Disney movie and your in your first year of owning software but I have lived in the real world and worked in Film, Corporate & Industrial design and music and have dealt with Copyright lawyers afew times. but you have a magical warm safety blanket how you read things don't you ?

1/ Copyright law is VERY VERY powerful and covers everything.
2/ BUT it cost silly amounts to uses it
3/ it is always being pushed and the range & limits are always being found & changed ( note- please look at the Samsung Apple legal battles )

playing Live covers this best explain how a copyright lawyer explained it to me ( I'm No expert Just a guy who has dealt with these things afew times )

it can be apply!! but isn't,.. it's handed over to Performing Right Associations and given general % from current record sales to keep things simple. ( even tho most venues and hotel elevators are not playing the top 100)

BUT and a huge BUT.. a copyright owner "could" get around live covers if direct connection was made. ( elevators Musicianst Raise UP !! )

copyright infringement could be apllied to case
if an arena band plays for 100 mins a night and makes 5 millions a night & in that set there's a 10 min version of stairway to heaven. currently YES there's no legal right to pay Led Zeppelin royalists BUT it's clear 10% of that 5 million was gained by playing a Led Zeppelin song

SO as per copyright law it is legally possible to start a case for Led Zeppelin specially if that band does a tour does 100 shows the income from that song is at the 50 mill level

NOW Led Zeppelin could not claim 50 mil but it would partition the court to find what is it's share of that 50 mil.

silly amounts of money would be spend it would get to the highest court and..
why it doesn't get applied
the highest court would say NO due to the S##t storm it would create, NOT the Legal rights Led Zeppelin may have.

( Personal & morally I think Led Zeppelin would have a right if Justin Bieber was doing the shows BUT have to agree with the judges it's would just cause too much trouble )

I'm no expert But you said I was wrong with little to no experience in this matter.

the fact is You can get sued for pretty much anything you do with other people works even if you do get approval. but it also is balanced with how much $$ the guy attacking you has.

to turn it around,.. if a someone stole your song post on UG forums profile and put it in his TV show or movie your going to have a tough time financing the fight yourself. If you have a record company they would fight for you (and don't kid yourself they only fighting because they loss income as well)

again Post to youtube No one cares and Youtube will take it down way before anything hits you
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Hey Sid, get ready to have a stroke.



Yes, that's an official upload by the band that made it, with "no copyright infringement is intended".
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Cavalcade - It is a cover of a Phil Collins song, so even though they are the band that recorded the cover, they are not the band who wrote the song, and therefore not the individuals who own the rights.

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why do you think Walmart, Target etc take there OWN pictures of the products they sell ?
answer "so they have control"


That is probably true. However, I was just in the Second Cup (like a Starbucks here in Canada), and they just received a shipment of advertising images sent to them from their supplier.

You know those "Playstation" logos and such you see up in the department stores? The manufacturer or suppliers send them specifically for marketing purposes.

The store may not change them, so if they want control over the image, then yes, they have to make their own.

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what would this document say ? a custom contact would cost too much & and standard contract would have holes.

if it was a standard contract and then if business owner "Ted" signed a contact for Dewalt tools images for his business, He could then make a porn " Drilling with Ted" with Dewalt images used on the cover. ?


So to use your own example, as a store owner who orders product from Dewalt, Dewalt would send Ted the Tool Guy signage, images, etc. to use in his store to promote their products.

If Ted decided to bastardize Dewalt's marketing imagery for his own purposes, specifically for purposes that potentially could malign the manufacturer with their customers or potential customers, Dewalt could take Ted to court.

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what about rave parties, Open House party's,


They are generally considered private gatherings, and therefore not subject to public performance regulations.

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shopping mails where you hear music ?
(YES performance royalties cover clubs etc ) But they do not cover alot of other places and there's no legal action ? ) the most you will ever see is Performing Right Associations pushing for venues where music is played to join or pay fees


Yep, shopping malls, restaurants, shoe stores, roller rinks, etc. all pay blanket licence to their local performing rights association to allow them to use performances of copyrighted material in their establishments.

And yes, if they do not pay it, they will be hounded by the PRO's, and if they still do not pay it, will be taken to court by the PRO's on behalf of their copyright holders.

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A pretty easy google search seems to discredit this statement.

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1/ Copyright law is VERY VERY powerful and covers everything.
2/ BUT it cost silly amounts to uses it
3/ it is always being pushed and the range & limits are always being found & changed ( note- please look at the Samsung Apple legal battles )

the fact is You can get sued for pretty much anything you do with other people works even if you do get approval. but it also is balanced with how much $$ the guy attacking you has.

to turn it around,.. if a someone stole your song post on UG forums profile and put it in his TV show or movie your going to have a tough time financing the fight yourself. If you have a record company they would fight for you (and don't kid yourself they only fighting because they loss income as well)


Well, you got something right here. It really does come down to how much you want to pay to protect something of how much value. That said, if you do go to court and win, the loser generally pays the court costs, etc.

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playing Live covers this best explain how a copyright lawyer explained it to me ( I'm No expert Just a guy who has dealt with these things afew times )

it can be apply!! but isn't,.. it's handed over to Performing Right Associations and given general % from current record sales to keep things simple. ( even tho most venues and hotel elevators are not playing the top 100)


In other words, even though MY song gets played on Campus radio, because they don't track individual plays, but instead pay a blanket licence, then Brian Adams, Celine Dion, and Justin Bieber get paid, and I don't. That's true. It's messed up, but until someone finds a better way, it is an unfortunate reality.

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BUT and a huge BUT.. a copyright owner "could" get around live covers if direct connection was made. ( elevators Musicianst Raise UP !! )

copyright infringement could be apllied to case
if an arena band plays for 100 mins a night and makes 5 millions a night & in that set there's a 10 min version of stairway to heaven. currently YES there's no legal right to pay Led Zeppelin royalists BUT it's clear 10% of that 5 million was gained by playing a Led Zeppelin song

SO as per copyright law it is legally possible to start a case for Led Zeppelin specially if that band does a tour does 100 shows the income from that song is at the 50 mill level

NOW Led Zeppelin could not claim 50 mil but it would partition the court to find what is it's share of that 50 mil.

silly amounts of money would be spend it would get to the highest court and..
why it doesn't get applied
the highest court would say NO due to the S##t storm it would create, NOT the Legal rights Led Zeppelin may have.

( Personal & morally I think Led Zeppelin would have a right if Justin Bieber was doing the shows BUT have to agree with the judges it's would just cause too much trouble )


Theoretically, they could conceivably try this angle. People try stupid stuff all the time. However, there is such a sh!t load of precedent that any entertainment lawyer worth his salt would step in and defend with, "Why should it matter that it is Led Zeppelin? Are there special copyright rules for Zeppelin?

He/she would further argue: "My client, yes, played that song, and made this much money on his tour playing that song. However, I submit that fans came to see my client, Justin Bieber, to hear songs like "Baby, Baby, Baby" and his other charting hits. To suggest that people paid money to hear him play a ten minute version of a Zeppelin tune is absurd. He could have gotten up and told jokes for ten minutes and made the same money. Therefore, NONE of his income can be directly attributable to his use of a Led Zeppelin song."

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YEAH agree
  • But the shop receiving marketing material poster etc is totally different then signing a contract to gain permission to USE images ( album covers etc) as was stated that contract thing was TOTAL and complete BS
  • but Rave parties can make Sh$t loads of money dude yet are not sued ? I think because the case it too hard to prostitute
  • A restaurants is just like a club ? sorry i did use the word "restaurant" I do not see your point, I say again "NO shoe store or an elevator" has been sued for playing music. because the case it too hard to prostitute
  • You still have to pay upfront for a copyright lawyer to start any action No copyright lawyer would do it like injury compensation cases etc, because the cases are too hard to prostitute and WIN
  • Theoretically is exactly what I was trying to make, you seem to think copyright law does not apply but it does the statement was "Playing covers live is legal and encouraged and the original artist will actually get a royalty from it."
    A- they do not get direct royalties from it
    B- there could be a case for copyright in my Led Zeppelin example due to point A since The song is not in the top 100 and it not getting it's rightful share. BUT the case it too hard to prostitute and win
Led Zeppelin was only used as a example get over yourself.

the first action in any copyright Case is to STOP wrongful uses of the material. 99% of the legal action has been toward business that continue to use material they were told to STOP using OR start paying for it.

All this started with everyone saying what I wrote below is ALL TOTALLY WRONG ?

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There is no copyright at ALL until someone takes actions to protect there material. to dumb it down, you can do what you want until someone tells you to STOP ( you tube taking it down ) or PAY them. if you choose to fight you have to prove your right and disprove there right for $$ you can wank your lawyer knowledge all you want these are the facts in the REAL WORLD.

How many youtube posters have been SUED or taken to court over posting You tube video's ? I would say 99.99% have just been taken down.. no legal action. if your a business making money or gaining advantage from using someone elses Material ( commercial adverts Promotion etc ) Be prepared to get sued BIG TIME

because the Value and the compensation and missuses of someone else is a creativity is a HUGELY complex area that is on the side of the Creator. your not any where near that area posting to youtube, most of the legal issues are on Youtube's shoulders so your safe. GO HARD !!
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All this started with everyone saying what I wrote below is ALL TOTALLY WRONG ?

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Because you quote is mixed with truths & half truths. Everything I have ever read on copyright clearly states that copyright exists at the moment a work is created which you contradict in the first sentence. Your view that you set forth, while true on the face of it, is backwards from the actual case. It's like when someone says that you don't need a license to drive a vehicle, only if you get stopped by a cop. While the statement itself is true, it doesn't make the legalities of it right. So by saying copyright doesn't exist til it is challenged, is kind of like saying that you never really own the song until someone tries to steal it which is frankly absurd.

I do agree about the "wrist slapping" of the worst you'll probably get is your video taken down, but that's the equivalent of driving 56 in a 55. Sure you prolly won't get pulled over or if you do not get a ticket, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong for doing so, this coming from an avid speed demon.

I'm not going to argue, just wanted to point it out & figured I'd be a dick for not contributing more than just, "it's prosecute, not postitute. That's a whole different business of screwing people over."
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It's like when someone says that you don't need a license to drive a vehicle, only if you get stopped by a cop. While the statement itself is true, it doesn't make the legalities of it right. So by saying copyright doesn't exist til it is challenged, is kind of like saying that you never really own the song until someone tries to steal it which is frankly absurd.


you own the copyright to something cool, but that is worth how much ?

it' abit like the saying "it's only worth as much as someone is willing to pay"
if someone steals it, Well that is where copyright law comes in to find it's value.

how many patents are there for useless things ? Inventions are just like artist creations

I agree it's not right, but it is how the system works in the real world.
you do own total and complete copyright over your work when it is created, BUT if someone misuses your material you have to prove misuse, loss, and or damages

like everything in the world you have to pay for this copyright protection.
you have to pay to stop misuse.
you have to pay more to prove damages for compensation.

if you uses Music, software or any material you don't own for profit, for gain, you deserve to be sued and lose ALOT more then you gained because you stole it in the first place.

Moral issues of Misuses of copyright in non profit or education well for me that's a individual thing and I feel that is why youtube and many other industries are pretty easy on the subject.

What really is the differences with a artist playing live a cover to a 1000000 people and a dude recording a cover and posting to youtube and get 1000 hits ?
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Cavalcade - It is a cover of a Phil Collins song, so even though they are the band that recorded the cover, they are not the band who wrote the song, and therefore not the individuals who own the rights.

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But that's the amazing thing. This isn't a random garage band we're talking about; this is a side project of the keyboardist of Children Of Bodom, one of the best-known metal groups in the world right now. They're signed to a major label. You'd think they would have bought the necessary performance rights, rather than putting up the same sort of disclaimer you'd expect from some random uploading someone else's album.
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