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Old 07-08-2013, 06:53 PM   #1
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need guitar suggestions - PRS / Carvin style options

Ok y'all, time for a new guitar. have a mega gas and i need some good advice. i have almost 100% settled on a double cut, PRS body style with 24 frets. i am going to outline the basis for this, must haves, and things i dont want!

price range maxing out at about 1600. will consider slightly more if worth it. by slightly i mean like 1800.

3 guitars that catch my eye are a carvin CT624 or CT424, used PRS johnny hiland, used PRS ce24. . If anybody has experience with these models please share.

- i want a double cut preferably carved top with nice finish options. looks comfort, etc.

- i want 24 frets to make getting to the 22nd fret easier! stay away neck heel! also, i would like to see how it makes the neck pup sound

- i would prefer good switching options and versatility, and GREAT build quality

- coil tapping options and or a SSH setup, HSH will be considered

Must haves:
locking tuners
1 volume knob!
good upper fret access!
24 frets

would likes:
25 inch scale
carved top
good woods, color and hardware options
stainless frets
tunomatic bridge, string thru body is a plus
strap locks
birdseye maple fretboard
body binding
body contours

will NOT have:

a floyd or a wilkinson
2 volume knobs
a rosewood fretboard
super small frets
single cut or poor upper fret access

i will play anything from jazz to hard rock / classic metal. i want smooth and sexy, bard and growl, spank, blues, and higher gain bite all in one guitar or the closest thing to it. i realize i may have to upgrade pups or make modifications.

i plan to use pedals, coil tapping etc, a volume knob, and a ebony / maple board to get all the pop, gain manipulations and response, and tonal changes i can out of one guitar through my versatile amp.

my primary genre is rock / blues

Thanks,

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Old 07-08-2013, 08:18 PM   #2
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I think Carvins are 25.5 inch scale, not 25 inch.

The Carvin is better bang for your buck new (unbeatable in my opinion) but the used PRS, if in good condition, will probably be more what you want. I think Carvin are comparable to PRS most of the time, but PRS does have slightly better attention to detail and consistency.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:08 PM   #3
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nope, the bolt on carvins are 25.5, the rest at 25.

not meant to be a carvin vs prs, but it just so happens those two brands fit my needs well. if there are other brands that make such models i am very eager to know.

i can definitely buy used PRS CE24s off guitar center website for like 900-1300. tempting.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:18 PM   #4
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PRS all day every day.

I like Carvin but both those PRS models are superb.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:13 PM   #5
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I think Carvins are 25.5 inch scale, not 25 inch.


Nope. Carvins are 25" scale unless it's a bolt neck or a Holdsworth. Attention to detail on them has really been good (you don't get birds and moons, however). I've got half a dozen guitars and one bass from them. All are 24-fret.

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Old 07-08-2013, 11:35 PM   #6
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Nope. Carvins are 25" scale unless it's a bolt neck or a Holdsworth. Attention to detail on them has really been good (you don't get birds and moons, however). I've got half a dozen guitars and one bass from them. All are 24-fret.

And the DC800 is a 27" and I think the CT7s are 25.5".


Personally, I'd go Carvin. The only gripe on mine was a misspelling of my name on the truss rod cover, but they were more than happy to fix it for free. The guys there are great, to say the least.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:41 PM   #7
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Nope. Carvins are 25" scale unless it's a bolt neck or a Holdsworth. Attention to detail on them has really been good (you don't get birds and moons, however). I've got half a dozen guitars and one bass from them. All are 24-fret.

My bad, you're quite right. I have a DC700 and it's 25.5 however.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:46 PM   #8
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i've quite liked the hillands i've played.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:53 PM   #9
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My bad, you're quite right. I have a DC700 and it's 25.5 however.


Yup, that's another exception.
Actually I have an unusual one. It's a neck-through DC-145 that was built with a 25.5" scale. They tried this ONE year (1991) and were so unsuccessful with it at the time (their clientele was all about 24-fret 24.75" shredder guitars) that they dumped the idea and have steadfastly refused to revisit it ever since (it's a family owned business and they have a long memory). I think it would probably be quite successful now, and I'd love to get a backup for this particular guitar (it's solid koa), but so far...can't.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:06 PM   #10
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hoe about a parker maxxfly?
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:20 PM   #11
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Resale value of the prs is much higher. Just throwing this in...
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:25 PM   #12
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It sounds like you are describing the Carvin CT624 guitar. It has 24 frets, one volume knob and one tone knob, a 25" scale, no tremolo unless you want one, your choice of fret size and shape (as well as regular nickel-silver or stainless steel) and custom options to die for. The build quality is second to none.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/ct624

Go for it! They're great guitars!
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:40 PM   #13
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correct. i am fairly certain i will buy a carvin ct624 but i want to do my dilligence.

for the record, i called a local shop with a credit card ready to buy a PRS johnny hiland with a case for 1400 bucks but it just solf 3 hours before i called.

i would buy it, if i didnt like it i would flip it for 1200-1400 and then still buy the carvin. a win win. unfortunately, not possible. i could still get a hiland for that price, but really, i dislike the idea or ordering a PRS i cannot see, have it shipped etc, etc, and go through hassle. This was right down the road.

and honestly, i trust carvin. if nothing else, i may buy PRS pups and put it in the carvin. also, the carivn woods absolutely murder PRS woods (unless a 10 top).

again, this is not supposed to be a verse thread, i actually would like suggestions for PRS style guitar builders. DO NOT SAY ED ROMAN. i dont trust him.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:30 AM   #14
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ah! they gotta go and do this. i guess i have to wait now....

http://www.guitarworld.com/prs-guit...electric-models
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I don't like the way they carve the top on the S2, it looks ugly when compared to the CE/CU/STD models.


And carvins are nice, but I'd rather have the PRS CE
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Beyond Carvin, you might check out Jon Kammerer guitars. His standard, customizable model guitars start at $1500; customs start at $1750.

http://jonkammerercustoms.com/newsite1_003.htm

I own 5 myself, so consider me biased.
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again, this is not supposed to be a verse thread, i actually would like suggestions for PRS style guitar builders. DO NOT SAY ED ROMAN. i dont trust him.


Ed's dead.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:35 PM   #19
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Just buy a PRS.

Buying one unseen is no greater risk than buying a Carvin.

Don't forget at least the PRs will retain some residual value.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:26 PM   #20
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there really is no less risk buying a used PRS from GC then buying from carvin considering both return policies. for the record, i would own a PRS right now buy my local store sold it....

i would still like to take suggestions for brands / custom builders. if not, im 99% sure im getting a carvin.
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