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Old 08-15-2013, 11:12 AM   #1
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Question How are scales made ? (not only major)

Hello,

I really would like to know how are scales made.
By that I don't mean the major or minor scales but the "others" :
diminished, blues, lydian, aeolian, phrygian, dorian, etc.
It's easy to find them and learn them but I want to understand them and know how they are put together.
With the chords it's easy, I know how to make a chord from a scale and then get the add9 of the chord for example. I would like to be able to do the same with scales but I can't find any place with these information.

Could you help me ?

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Old 08-15-2013, 11:56 AM   #2
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i don't know for sure if this is what you are looking for, but google "circle of fifths".
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:00 PM   #3
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Not really no.
I know how to make major and minor scale. But I don't know how the "others" are made.
Everything but the major and minor.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:02 PM   #4
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:25 PM   #5
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Not really no.
I know how to make major and minor scale. But I don't know how the "others" are made.
Everything but the major and minor.


More than 90% in the western music is derived from the major scale mate.So if you really knew your major scale you would now for example that Dorian phrygian lydian are actually like inversions of the major scale or that aeolian is actually the minor scale you claim to know.

So your solution is simple.Learn a solid way to study scales..if you know how to study one you ll know what to do with the others.
So start with the major scale even if you think you know it.Learn its construction by heart(the succesion of tones and semitones) learn to sing it without mistakes(critical!!!)Harmonize it making chords from it and learn some basic application.Only then you start to know the scale.

So next...the process is the same..Dorian:you learn its contruction(1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7) ,learn to sing it...(even a grandma can sing a major scale but are you sure you can sing the dorian even without an instrument? try it its not as easy as it seems at least in the beggining but maybe the most helpful tip)...then harmonize it and you ll find out that its just like the major but starting from the second chord etc etc etc then learn to apply it....things like that.

Try this process for every scale and you ll soon find out how they tick and their relationiships with eachother.....Most of them are just manipulations of the major scale blues scale,pentatonics you name it.....study the major scale that way though first cause its the mother of everything..dont assume you know it .
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:27 PM   #6
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You can't really know how to make a major and minor scale and not know how to make the "others". It is the same process, just different tonics and intervals. You list Aeolian as an "other", you don't understand, but say you know how to make a minor scale - they are the same thing.

Look up the diatonic scale in wikipedia see how the C Ionian (Major) scale relates to the A Aeolian (Minor) scale and the other five modes.

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Old 08-15-2013, 03:08 PM   #9
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lulz at the two guys up there ^^^ look up "modes" in the MT Forum and you should probably get your answer. Those are the "others" you're looking for. I suggest these two:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=503032
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1042392

He does ask about something I've been wondering though, about the Blues scale and the pentatonics and such. Where are those from? Some old black guy in the 20s just made up his own theory or what?
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:05 PM   #10
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from wikipedia.....

In music, a synthetic scale is a scale which has been derived from a traditional diatonic major scale through the alteration of one degree by a semitone in either direction.[1] Composer Ferruccio Busoni originally explored these scales in his A New Esthetic of Music[2] and their number and variety were later clarified by J. Murray Barbour who also proposed the application of the procedure to scales of more or less than seven degrees, including pentatonic scales.[1]

These synthetic pitch collections may serve as the basic melodic and/or harmonic material for a passage of music. However, the thousands of available scales cause Murray Barbour to propose that, "the whole problem is of greater theoretical interest than of practical worth."[

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He does ask about something I've been wondering though, about the Blues scale and the pentatonics and such. Where are those from? Some old black guy in the 20s just made up his own theory or what?

The major pentatonic is the major scale without the 4th and seventh
The minor pentatonic is the minor scale without the second and minor sixth.
They have been around since the beginning time across all cultures.
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Old 08-16-2013, 07:13 PM   #13
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Scales are a derived concept. You look at the chords/harmony in a phrase, see what notes are present in a meaningful way, and then write them down in ascending order. That's how scales are made.
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