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Old 09-06-2013, 11:37 AM   #1
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12-inch Celestion with more low end than Seventy 80?

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Could you please give me some suggestions on which 12-Celestion speaker would add more low-end to the sound of the stock Celestion Seventy 80 in the Marshall DSL 40 combo? Please donīt advise any other brand of speakers, I have to choose a Celestion, as I can have it for a better price....

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Old 09-06-2013, 11:41 AM   #2
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G12T-75 certainly has a good bottom end, atleast with my rather bottom heavy Randall. But my experience with speakers is rather limited. But I have heard K-100 is also good in that regard. Anyone?
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G12T-75 certainly has a good bottom end, atleast with my rather bottom heavy Randall. But my experience with speakers is rather limited. But I have heard K-100 is also good in that regard. Anyone?


Yep, I heard some good stuff about exactly these two.... also on the Celestion web they are described as the most bassy.... but the question is: would they sound good in that 1x12 Marshall combo?
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Why a Celestion? The Eminence Swamp Thang has a buttload of low end.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:28 PM   #5
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Why a Celestion? The Eminence Swamp Thang has a buttload of low end.


Just because I have a good personal contact in one of our local stores and he can give me a big discount, but only on Celestion.... I can have it for wholesale prices, instead of retail price and thatīs hell of a difference....
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Just because I have a good personal contact in one of our local stores and he can give me a big discount, but only on Celestion.... I can have it for wholesale prices, instead of retail price and thatīs hell of a difference....

Well what is whole sale price, most Eminence speakers run<$80 each

But yes K-100 and the Classic lead have tons of bass

G12t75 is kind of fizzy sounding with most amps

I also really like the G12h30 speakers for their full bass response
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Just because I have a good personal contact in one of our local stores and he can give me a big discount, but only on Celestion.... I can have it for wholesale prices, instead of retail price and thatīs hell of a difference....


Fair enough. FYI, I got my Swamp Thang for $50. Look into the K-100 if you really want Celestion.
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Well what is whole sale price, most Eminence speakers run<$80 each

But yes K-100 and the Classic lead have tons of bass

G12t75 is kind of fizzy sounding with most amps

I also really like the G12h30 speakers for their full bass response


Sorry, I promised my friend not to mention any figures.... but they are even below those 80 USD....

Fizzy? Well thatīs not for me, so the K100 and the G12h30 seem to be the best option then....

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Don't discount the Classic Lead, it has a modern sound with lots of low-mids

K100 mostlikely has the most low-end, but the high end is not as prominent with it if that is a concern

Also depending on wattage, the g12h75 is a 75 watt G12h30 type speaker. They are bright sounding, but have a big low-end
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Don't discount the Classic Lead, it has a modern sound with lots of low-mids

K100 mostlikely has the most low-end, but the high end is not as prominent with it if that is a concern

Also depending on wattage, the g12h75 is a 75 watt G12h30 type speaker. They are bright sounding, but have a big low-end



Iīm not worried about less prominent highs, the DSL40 combo has them well in excess.... with the stock Seventy 80 I never set the treble and presence above 2 o clock, because then the high end got really ear-piercing.... so if the K100 takes the highs back a bit, it really looks like my weapon of choice...
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....now I discovered a potential problem with the K100 - it comes only in 8 ohm version and the stock speaker in the DSL40 is 16 ohm.... There are also two 8 ohm outputs on the back panel of the combo - is it possible to connect only one 8 ohm speaker to only one of these connectors? And what would the ohmage change do with the output power of the amp? Sorry, these are maybe stupid questions, but Iīm really not a technical guru....
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....now I discovered a potential problem with the K100 - it comes only in 8 ohm version and the stock speaker in the DSL40 is 16 ohm.... There are also two 8 ohm outputs on the back panel of the combo - is it possible to connect only one 8 ohm speaker to only one of these connectors? And what would the ohmage change do with the output power of the amp? Sorry, these are maybe stupid questions, but Iīm really not a technical guru....

Yes that is fine.
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Don't discount the Classic Lead


yeah out of the ones i've tried the classic lead probably has the most low end (i haven't tried the g12k100, though). it's quite modern-sounding, though, and some people feel it's a bit sterile.

the g12t75 has a lot, too, but it's pretty loose.
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Yes that is fine.


When you say "fine".... you mean to connect only one 8ohm speaker to only one of the two 8 ohm connectors is technically correct? No risk of damaging the amp?
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Fine.... you mean to connect only one 8ohm speaker to only one of the two 8 ohm connectors is technically correct? No risk od damaging the amp?


Yes.

That's exactly what they are for. I note that according to the manual the 8 ohm connections are disabled when the 16 ohm is in use so you won't be able to use your internal 16 and an external 8, but that wasn't what you wanted to do anyway.

You can replace your internal 16 with an 8 and then simply plug it into one of the 8's though.
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Fine.... you mean to connect only one 8ohm speaker to only one of the two 8 ohm connectors is technically correct? No risk od damaging the amp?

yes that is correct. remember if you ever do use both 8 ohm jacks you will want 2 16ohm loads, not two 8ohm loads (8ohms+8ohms in parallel is 4ohms, 16ohm+16ohm in parallel is 8ohms)
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Yes.

That's exactly what they are for. I note that according to the manual the 8 ohm connections are disabled when the 16 ohm is in use so you won't be able to use your internal 16 and an external 8, but that wasn't what you wanted to do anyway.

You can replace your internal 16 with an 8 and then simply plug it into one of the 8's though.


Yes, thatīs exactly my case: changing the impedance of the internal speaker. Thanx for confirming.
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....and one more question: with the stock 16 ohm internal speaker the output of the amp is 40 Watt. How will the output change with an 8 ohm internal?
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Out put is changed based on the speaker's sensitivity rating, not the power handling. Look up the stock speaker's sensitivity rating and compare it to whatever speaker you choose.
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The stock Seventy80īs sensitivity is 98 dB, K100 has 99 dB - so the K100 should be slightly louder, at equal amp power, right?
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