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Old 09-01-2013, 07:46 PM   #21
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That's precisely why they ARE groundbreaking. You get a guitar that is closer to a Gibson than an Epiphone, for less money than an Epiphone. And about 8-10x less $ than the equivalent Gibson.

... Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree as well. I'm willing to believe that Agile instruments are at the approximate level of quality as upper-end Epiphone guitars, but even then I'm not so sure. I have a MiK Epiphone SG-400 with gibson pickups. I don't think it's an especially unbelievable guitar, but it sounds amazing and is set up very nicely.

My point is, it's probably a $300 guitar on the used market on a good day. Seems like a decent Agile is at least $400-500 even in the USA. The quality Agiles (AL2800 and up) seem to hold their value quite well, so I don' t usually see any of them for less than $350 or $400.

Granted, features like an ebony fretboard and wide neck are not offered by Epiphone, and they're very nice. But those are just features, not upgrades. Not everyone is an ebony fiend like me. $400-500 is the price of a used Gibson studio or tribute guitar. I just have a feeling that if more people compared Agile guitars directly to Gibson, they'd come away a bit less impressed with Agile. But Agile's market isn't the same as Gibson's market, and that's perfectly acceptable.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #22
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I second all those who say you should look into Vintage instead, especially since your from the UK. I got two, and the last one I bought was a used V100 Les Paul left handed for 130.


I'll give them a check out when im in a music shop again then.
Im a bit of a snob when it comes to cheaper guitars though...
Ive got two high end LTDs, a Fender and a MiJ Jackson. But I'll deffo give these guitars a look over


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Looking at the specs and a few vids i think im gonna buy the PRS copy, found some great deals on used ones.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:55 PM   #23
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People can disagree all they want. My Agile is better-made than any Epiphone I've laid my hands on, and equal to some of the lower-priced Gibson Tributes and such.

Is it better than an Epiphone Elitist? No idea. Never played one. If I run across a new one for $350, I'll give it a try.
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Too bad they're woefully average when you add in the cost of getting them to your house in Stoke-On-Trent.

And an Agile guitar that is better in quality than an Epiphone Elitist? Don't make me laugh.


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People can disagree all they want. My Agile is better-made than any Epiphone I've laid my hands on, and equal to some of the lower-priced Gibson Tributes and such.

Is it better than an Epiphone Elitist? No idea. Never played one. If I run across a new one for $350, I'll give it a try.


To compare an $1800 guitar to an Agile is actually giving Agile props for not being able to compare a cheaper model Epiphone.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:34 PM   #25
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Can Agiles be great guitars? yes they can.

Are they on the level of Gibson? I highly doubt it. Most Agiles are made at the Samick plant in Korea. They make very nice guitars and can use great materials. I had a Samick made Squier tele that was amazing. It had a 2 piece ash body that was beautiful, you don't get that on most lowend USA guitars.

Yes Agiles can be an amazing deal for a nice player, but they also put out some not so spectacular guitars.

I will buy a Gibson over an Agile any day. I have never owned a bad Gibson. But I have never owned a bad guitar no matter what brand it has been.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:41 PM   #26
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1800 for an Elitist? Are we just making up numbers now? They were $900 new back when they were making them. If anyone's paid 1800 for an Elitist I hope there was a lot of coke stuffed into the control cavity.

The Agiles I've played were about on par with an Epiphone Standard as far as build and sound quality. Agile gets you a few more options for a lower price, but you do have to buy blind and either deal with returns or hope you get a good one. I'm not sure what it is about Agile that brings out all the hyperbole - maybe one in 20 guitars they make is Custom Shop quality, and we're all just missing out. Or maybe the demographic they sell to tends not to have actually played many Gibsons (or electrics in general) to compare it to, similar to the way we keep hearing that the Line 6 Spider is a totally great amp on internet reviews.

All I know is, the hype I hear about Agiles doesn't jive with my experience of them. They're very competitive guitars at the $4-500 price level, but if you're looking for a Les Paul type beyond that price range there are plenty of equal or better options. Of course, given their poor resale, you really couldn't get a better LP type for $200 on the used market. That's where Agile starts to make sense to me.
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check out this thread on the MyLesPaul forum. You'll quickly find at least 3 people who own Gibsons and Agiles who believe the Agiles are equal or better.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/oth...-400-500-a.html

Like I said, some Agiles are very nice guitars, some are duds

Yes the new price and options that Agile offers is very nice and deff cheaper than Epiphone and other imports for what your getting at that price.

But Agiles are not found in stores, so it is virtually impossible to try before you buy one. many do not want to risk that purchase regardless of return policy's.

I have only played a few Agile guitars and I'd have to say it is almost 50/50 on the quality level from my personal experiences. Some I have played were very nice others were less than stellar
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1800 for an Elitist? Are we just making up numbers now? They were $900 new back when they were making them. If anyone's paid 1800 for an Elitist I hope there was a lot of coke stuffed into the control cavity.


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For someone to compare a guitar not offered anymore brand new would be null.
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Didn't know they made that one. The LPs were $900 new, and far better than any Agile I've played. As you say, though, not a fair comparison given the price difference.
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here's a really well-done review and demo of the Agile AL-3010SE
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:09 PM   #31
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Basically for the price it's hard to beat, we all know there are a lot of better guitars out there, but for a lot more money also. I'm thinking about maybe picking up one sometime in the future. I just bought a new guitar last month, and ordered a new one yesterday so it's gonna have to wait lol.
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dude rocking his brains out on an Agile
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:31 AM   #34
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dude rocking his brains out on an Agile
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOkn1Tads9w[/url]


So basically you're saying his his ability is due to his guitar. It couldn't be playing a gibson or epi?
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Old 09-02-2013, 04:38 AM   #35
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Uh...no. Here in the US, for the same money, they're at least twice the guitar that a good Epiphone is, leastways when you're looking at the LP-style AL guitars. And with some models, such as the AL-3200, there isn't an Epiphone (or a Gibson, for that matter) equivalent at any price. Want a trem on a Gibson, you have a $3K+ choice and one rather lame Studio Shred (in one color) for something over a grand on a limited basis (no longer available).

The same holds true when you get into extended range and multiscale guitars. Epiphone doesn't do 27" and 30" scale guitars. I think Gibson may do two 28" scales (the Buckethead thing and a studio Baritone no longer available). Gibson does two 7-strings (epi does...what...one?) and they mostly do them in 24.75" scale. Agile is out there with 7, 8, 9 and 10-string guitars, neck-through and bolt necks, active and passive pickups, and they even have trems on some of those guitars. Ibanez isn't even close to keeping up. And none of the manufacturers have dipped their toes into multi-scale, and yet Agile has a *range* of the silly things. Want a trem-equipped 8-string fan-fret in a 25.5-27" multiscale? Who ya gonna call? Not only aren't the big manufacturers keeping up, but you could never find them at Agile's prices.

Quality on Agiles is rarely an issue. There's the occasional return. But I've seen more bitching and complaining on MyLesPaul (dot com) about Gibson quality control than ever appears on AgileGuitarForum (dot com) about Agile's. Reduced expectations? Maybe. But the usual reaction when someone opens the box on a new guitars remains, "Wait, I paid WHAT for this guitar?"

I think "about the quality of a good Epiphone but with more strings" rather understates the true nature of these guitars.



The people who buy cheaper guitars like Agile (IMO) seem to be less likely to have as many issues with the QC than someone who is spending a ****ton on a guitar.

Firstly, if you're buying a cheaper guitar, you're more likely to not expect it to be perfect. But if you're spending thousands, you're more likely to be picky. Secondly, if you're buying a cheaper guitar, either you're getting it as a beater (in which case you won't complain much), a project guitar (in which case you won't complain much), or you don't really own high quality guitars (in which case you might not realize all the issues).
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Yeah, a lot of the people who buy Agile probably don't already own a bunch of Gibsons. I think most of the time they're comparing their Agile to an Epiphone LP Standard or something similar. I've seen several Agile reviews where the reviewer mentioned some small flaw. Maybe if he was paying more, that flaw would have become a major issue.

One thing that really keeps me from buying an Agile guitar is they only rarely offer guitars with name-brand pickups. If I'm going to spend $500 on a guitar, why the hell would I buy one that still might need a pickup upgrade? Seems like a lot of Agile owners end up upgrading the pickups no matter what Agile they buy. So while I hear some argue that the stock pups are great, seems to me that a lot of Agile owners disagree.
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Yeah, a lot of the people who buy Agile probably don't already own a bunch of Gibsons.


Wrong. There are scads of reviews from Gibson owners who praise the Agiles.
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So basically you're saying his his ability is due to his guitar. It couldn't be playing a gibson or epi?


Your reasoning skills are quite flawed. I said no such thing. Just as the inability of most Gibson-owners is not due to their expensive guitars.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:36 PM   #39
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, but what is there in the UK in terms of affordable 7 string guitars? And fanned fret ones at that. I'm on a hunt for one to tune G,D,g,d,G,D,f# for an open G7 tuning.
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Wrong. There are scads of reviews from Gibson owners who praise the Agiles.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/...Gibson-Les-Paul

And also plenty of these.

It would be interesting to check back in with a lot of the reviewers after a year or two to see if the Agiles have held up to constant, regular use the way a higher-priced instrument should.
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