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Old 09-11-2013, 11:03 AM   #1
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Which guitar is better? dbz bachetta 7 or esp ltd h-1007

Hi i have a question i want to buy a good guitar but i can't decide

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H-1007

Set-Thru Construction
25.5" Scale
Mahogany Body
Flamed Maple Top
Maple Neck
Rosewood Fingerboard
48mm Locking Nut
Thin U Neck Contour
24 XJ Frets
Black Nickel Hardware
ESP Tuners
TOM bridge with string-thru
EMG 81-7 7-string active bridge humbucker

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Construction/scaleSet Neck/25.5"
BodyMahogany/Flame Maple
NeckMahogany
FingerboardRosewood
Frets24
InlaysPremier Series
BindingAbalone/ABS Black
PickupsEMG-81-7/EMG-707
ElectronicsVol/Tone/3-Way
TunersGrover
HardwareNickel
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:26 PM   #3
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Well just from looking at the specs the ESP looks better just because it has a set thru neck which gives you better sustain. But for guitars this similar I would try them out and see which neck I think feels better in my hands
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:29 PM   #4
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Well just from looking at the specs the ESP looks better just because it has a set thru neck which gives you better sustain.

That's actually kind of a myth. No one method of constructing the guitar at the neck joint is better than the other in terms of sustain. The thing that does make a difference is how well the neck joint has been put together, not the type.

In fact, in this case, all a set-thru means is that the LTD is just a set neck with the heel carved out to make it look and feel like a neck-thru, when it actually isn't

And it's not an ESP, it's an LTD.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:32 PM   #5
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Hi Its hard to test the dbz barchetta 7 i live in the netherlands there is no shop where i can test it. only the esp ltd h-1007 in musicstore deutchland
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:39 PM   #6
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That's actually kind of a myth. No one method of constructing the guitar at the neck joint is better than the other in terms of sustain. The thing that does make a difference is how well the neck joint has been put together, not the type.

And it's not an ESP, it's an LTD.

Well a neck thru guitar has no neck joint its just one piece of wood. I'm sure there are exceptions but in my experience (as a bass player) neck thru gives you more sustain whether its desirable or not.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #7
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Well a neck thru guitar has no neck joint its just one piece of wood. I'm sure there are exceptions but in my experience (as a bass player) neck thru gives you more sustain whether its desirable or not.

It isn't one piece of wood whatsoever. You still need pieces of wood to be glued together to construct the body. It makes no difference. Anecdotal evidence or not

And in this case, the LTD isn't even a neck-thru. It's just a set neck that has a carved heel.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:46 PM   #8
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Well just from looking at the specs the ESP looks better just because it has a set thru neck which gives you better sustain. But for guitars this similar I would try them out and see which neck I think feels better in my hands


The LTD is not a neck-through guitar -- it's a simple set neck, near as I can tell.

As for "feel." A lot of people who move from thick-neck LP type guitars with 10-12" radii and medium frets to the thinner/wider extended range guitar necks, flatter boards and jumbo or extra jumbo frets need to adjust their technique, and the necks will often feel foreign to them. Putting too much on the "feel" of a guitar neck is probably a bad idea for those folks.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:00 PM   #9
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Hi Its hard to test the dbz barchetta 7 i live in the netherlands there is no shop where i can test it. only the esp ltd h-1007 in musicstore deutchland

Well you could always buy both online and return the one you don't want (but make sure that that is acceptable in their return policy). Or just take a gamble and get one of them, with such similar guitars I doubt you will be disappointed with one or the other.

I own an ltd and have tried several too and I really like their stuff. I have only tried a couple dbz guitars and they're definitely good too. I don't think you can really go wrong.

Edit: how do you guys even know that the ESP isn't a neck thru? It says so on their website and all my stuff is correctly labeled.

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Old 09-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #10
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Edit: how do you guys even know that the ESP isn't a neck thru? It says so on their website and all my stuff is correctly labeled.

http://www.espguitars.co.uk/guitars-ltd-h1007.html
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'Set-thru' and 'Set neck' mean essentially the same thing in terms of how the neck and the body are joined together.

It's also an LTD, not an ESP. That's like calling an Epiphone a Gibson when it clearly isn't.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #11
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i think i buy the h-1007
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:58 PM   #12
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To be honest, OP. I think the DBZ would be an interesting choice. The two guitars are near-identical in spec and if it was my guitar, I'd be welcome to get a guitar that's a little bit different from the typical Ibanez and LTD's you commonly see. I personally have a preference towards the dark horse, so to speak. And there is hardly anything about the DBZ that would put me off buying it over the LTD
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:58 PM   #13
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http://www.espguitars.co.uk/guitars-ltd-h1007.html

http://www.thomann.de/nl/esp_ltd_h1007_stbk.htm

'Set-thru' and 'Set neck' mean essentially the same thing in terms of how the neck and the body are joined together.

It's also an LTD, not an ESP. That's like calling an Epiphone a Gibson when it clearly isn't.

LTD is the cheaper version of esp so yeah its still esp
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #14
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LTD is the cheaper version of esp so yeah its still esp

A Squier is a cheaper version of a Fender, but does that make a Squier a Fender? Nope. Just because the company is owned by Fender and that it's a cheaper version, does not make it the same guitar.
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:15 PM   #15
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you right. a dbz is 500 euro's and a h-1007 is 1000euro its the half
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Old 09-11-2013, 06:19 PM   #16
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I have a Gibson SG with a set neck and a crappy Ibanez with a bolt on neck and they sustain about the same... I mean I get how a bolt on neck could potentially kill sustain if it was loose but frankly a tight neck joint is a tight neck joint. I mean I won't say they are on the same level but still... this whole neck design thing always amuses me. Like when people say a maple neck makes the guitar brighter or an ebony fretboard sounds better lol.

I guess when it comes to me I just think the only thing affecting the vibration of the strings is the parts it actually comes in contact with. It isn't like they vibrate so hard it shakes the whole guitar.

I think I would go with the DBZ one. I just kind of like the way it looks a bit better. I know it isn't ideal but have you tried to look up videos and sound clips of them? It won't be perfect but you can at least get an idea.
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:27 AM   #17
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its for metal and soloing fast sweep and arpeggio's
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:54 AM   #18
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Trust me.. DBZ Barchetta is better.
(DBZ owner for 3 years)

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Old 09-12-2013, 02:43 PM   #19
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ok thanks i will buy it i have no GAS
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