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Old 09-14-2013, 03:58 AM   #1
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Most undervalued Amps

Hello. Whats your opinion? which amps are the most undervalued? which amps deserve more atention? please do not atack , this thread can be usefull to those people who have a low budget and want to have a good tone. the answers like save some money and buy a good amp are wrong answers in this thread.

My undervalued amps:
- Marshall Valvestate (old 1. series)
- Peavey Bandit (old version)
- Yamaha DG (is pretty expencive, but not popular)
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Old 09-14-2013, 04:07 AM   #2
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I wouldnt say they are undervalued but more like very dividing. Valvestate and Bandit (or Peavey Supreme or XXL) get a lot of hate in one group/forum, but also a loooot of love in other. It entirely depends on what you are looking for in your sound. I say the person has to try them out himself and form his own subjective opinion.

I say if you are a metalhead on a strict budget, the Valvestates and above Peaveys are good choices considering they cost next to nothing used and cover a wide range of metal genres. There are amps that do them better, MUCH better, but you also have to pay more. Quite simple.
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Old 09-14-2013, 04:17 AM   #3
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Crate V33 has a sweet clean sound that's very smooth. Breaks up nicely but doesn't have a lot of distortion on tap.
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Old 09-14-2013, 04:18 AM   #4
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Old 09-14-2013, 06:35 AM   #5
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Some Koch amps cost over 1200 so they are not undervalued.
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Old 09-14-2013, 06:53 AM   #6
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Some Koch amps cost over 1200 so they are not undervalued.


But they can still be underrated.
I wouldnt know though. Never heard a Koch amp in my life, atleast not conciously.
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:01 AM   #7
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Most amp used can be had for peanuts of the new cost.

Mesa Rectos and Mark series go for $600-$1000 all the time. These were $1600-$2300 new.

Marshall JCM DSL50/100 were $1500+ new and are $500 used

Krank (well all of their amps) were $1400+ new and are $500-$800 used and probably one of the most underrated amp company's of all

Peavey Ultra/JSX are really great amps but go for $200-$600 used

Laney make great amps and they are stupid cheap used GH/VH were $1000 and $1499 new and now are $500-$600

Crate BV/RV are pretty nice rock amps, but because they say Crate on them 99% immediately think they are crap.

Then if you want you can look at over-ratted/valued amps like Trainwreck (the original) go for $9000+ used (the ones I have seen, which are not many at all). Dumble amps are $10,000 new but sell for $50,000-$150,000 used (I've seen a used 2x12 dumble cab for $10,000) all for a modified Fender circuit
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:19 AM   #8
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Most amp used can be had for peanuts of the new cost.

Mesa Rectos and Mark series go for $600-$1000 all the time. These were $1600-$2300 new.

Marshall JCM DSL50/100 were $1500+ new and are $500 used

Krank (well all of their amps) were $1400+ new and are $500-$800 used and probably one of the most underrated amp company's of all

Peavey Ultra/JSX are really great amps but go for $200-$600 used

Laney make great amps and they are stupid cheap used GH/VH were $1000 and $1499 new and now are $500-$600

Crate BV/RV are pretty nice rock amps, but because they say Crate on them 99% immediately think they are crap.

Then if you want you can look at over-ratted/valued amps like Trainwreck (the original) go for $9000+ used (the ones I have seen, which are not many at all). Dumble amps are $10,000 new but sell for $50,000-$150,000 used (I've seen a used 2x12 dumble cab for $10,000) all for a modified Fender circuit



dafuq!? Are they insane!?

What makes those amp so special that warrants over 10000$ price tag for new one anyway? Diamond knobs?
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dafuq!? Are they insane!?

What makes those amp so special that warrants over 10000$ price tag for new one anyway? Diamond knobs?

Dumble has made amps since the late 1960's and his amps can not just be bought, he has to personally select you to buy an amp. You then have to pay the entire cost up front. People have waited over 5 yrs to get an amp and he has a clause in his contract where if you contact him even 1 time about the status of your amp, he can keep the entire amount and not give you an amp. You do not get to choose the type of amp you want, he personally choses which is the best fit for you.

You also must sign a contract that you will never sell the amp. Since the late 1970's all of his amps internals are covered with an opaque epoxy goo so the amp can not be copied or worked on. From what I have read he has made less than 400 amps total since the 1960's.

There are many clones that claim to have reversed engineered one of his amps, but that is left to speculation

Joe Bonamassa just got a Dumble and even he paid an undisclosed amount for his ( but it is assumed he paid $100,000ish for his) used Dumble. He could not even have a new one built.

People like John Mayer, Eric Johnson, Santana, Keith Urban all use them.

Companies like Futchs, Two Rock clone them and the clones cost $4000+




Friggin stupid if you ask me, but they have the money not me
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Surely it cant be that hard to reverse engineer an amp?
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:15 AM   #11
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The Bugera V5 and V22 get a lot of flack because of problems with some other Bugera models, but they're both really solid amps - especially for blues.

The Carvin V3 and V3M are both excellent amps you don't hear much about.

The Fender Frontman series gets a lot of flack, but are great amps for a cheap clean tone and they take pedals really well.

The Orange Crush Series amps don't get much attention, but have some of the best tones you can get from a solid state amp and are really affordable.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:28 AM   #12
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People have waited over 5 yrs to get an amp and he has a clause in his contract where if you contact him even 1 time about the status of your amp, he can keep the entire amount and not give you an amp. You do not get to choose the type of amp you want, he personally choses which is the best fit for you.

You also must sign a contract that you will never sell the amp.

what the flying ****? i mean that's kind of genius but what a cunt
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:41 AM   #13
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Surely it cant be that hard to reverse engineer an amp?

it's about exclusivity.

it really has nothing to do with the amp, it's about being in the dumble club.

nothing says "i have more money than brains" like a dumble in your back line.
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Dumble has made amps since the late 1960's and his amps can not just be bought, he has to personally select you to buy an amp. You then have to pay the entire cost up front. People have waited over 5 yrs to get an amp and he has a clause in his contract where if you contact him even 1 time about the status of your amp, he can keep the entire amount and not give you an amp. You do not get to choose the type of amp you want, he personally choses which is the best fit for you.

You also must sign a contract that you will never sell the amp. Since the late 1970's all of his amps internals are covered with an opaque epoxy goo so the amp can not be copied or worked on. From what I have read he has made less than 400 amps total since the 1960's.

There are many clones that claim to have reversed engineered one of his amps, but that is left to speculation

Joe Bonamassa just got a Dumble and even he paid an undisclosed amount for his ( but it is assumed he paid $100,000ish for his) used Dumble. He could not even have a new one built.

People like John Mayer, Eric Johnson, Santana, Keith Urban all use them.

Companies like Futchs, Two Rock clone them and the clones cost $4000+




Friggin stupid if you ask me, but they have the money not me

this sounds like utter BS to me. yeah it might sound good and stuff but for 50.000+? really?! Couldn't you just get a tone you have in your head from any other amp below the 10k mark? Like all those Fenders, Marshals, peaveys, mesas, bogners, ENGLs and all the others didn't do the job? The cabs that you could buy didn't suffice either?


How about paying some custom amp builder about 5k an getting an amp exactly the way you like then?

You wouldn't have to wait for 5 years either.



oh and the whole 'if you contact me once, then I might keep the money and not do the job' is the biggest asshole move I could ever hear from a merchant, DIYer or whoever that is. I can't imagine his amps sounding 50 times better than a thousand dollar amp

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When the maker puts opaque Epoxy on all the components so you can not see them, and removing the epoxy destroys the amp. It is pretty hard to reverse engineer
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Peavey Ultra series amps as well as some of their other older tube amps. many can be bought for a song and are great sounding amps. Crate V series tube amps, not metal machines but sound good and take pedals very well.
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When the maker puts opaque Epoxy on all the components so you can not see them, and removing the epoxy destroys the amp. It is pretty hard to reverse engineer


You could file it away slowly, no?

Also quick google search showed quite a few ways to remove it, with special instructions for different materials (as to not damage the surface it's on)
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