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Old 09-14-2013, 08:04 PM   #41
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Crate GX130C.

Same thing as the Ampeg VH140C, just people don't want it cause it says Crate on it

Krank everything. Seriously, I've never been dissapointed with any of their amps. Maybe not the greatest sounding amps (though some are fantastic), but the fact that they cost almost nothing on the used market makes them a steal.
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:59 PM   #42
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I think you misunderstand my point.

No, I was just being a smarta$$ I think that's why there are quite a few true clones out there

^+1 Yeah Kranks are pretty nice and can hold their own with any Recto, JCM, 5150 ect.
Probably the best made cabs out in the last 10 yrs at least
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:41 PM   #43
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Crate GX130C.

Same thing as the Ampeg VH140C, just people don't want it cause it says Crate on it

You know, it always seemed like a subliminal thing that people would bypass amps completely because of the generic sounding name. I mean, it's happened to me a couple times regardless of how well the amp sounded or not . "Crate" just sounds like something that was put together in a sweatshop or something.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:49 PM   #44
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You know, it always seemed like a subliminal thing that people would bypass amps completely because of the generic sounding name. I mean, it's happened to me a couple times regardless of how well the amp sounded or not . "Crate" just sounds like something that was put together in a sweatshop or something.

Well Crate amps used to look like a wooden crate with a few knobs and a speaker grill. My brother had one in the early 80's, and I think it still works
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:59 PM   #45
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I wouldn't say a Valvestate or a Bandit are undervalued at all, they're crap.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:03 PM   #46
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Well Crate amps used to look like a wooden crate with a few knobs and a speaker grill. My brother had one in the early 80's, and I think it still works

Makes sense if they were originally made to look like crates, but kinda pointless now. I think they could do much better if they renamed their line to something a little more catchier, but that's just me. Line 6 gives off the same vibe.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:23 PM   #47
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I wouldn't say a Valvestate or a Bandit are undervalued at all, they're crap.

ahh the smell of cork.
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Makes sense if they were originally made to look like crates, but kinda pointless now. I think they could do much better if they renamed their line to something a little more catchier, but that's just me. Line 6 gives off the same vibe.

Well they did rename their valve amps, they are called Blackheart
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ahh the smell of cork.

It's actually the smell of experience. I played in bands with guys using both of those amps; they're crap, end of story.
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Well they did rename their valve amps, they are called Blackheart

Learn something every day I suppose. Guess I never cared enough about Blackheart to research it's origin.
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:14 AM   #51
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It's actually the smell of experience. I played in bands with guys using both of those amps; they're crap, end of story.


I've heard you say the Bandit is a trusty amp that many musicians use as a backup. Thank god you've come to your senses

As undervalued amps go, I'd have to say the Blue Voodoo is probably the most underrated amp among for rock music. This thing is a beast with a TS in front of it. Pair with a set of V30s and some decent tubes and this is a work horse amp for any rock musician.

I play through a Stiff 90-AD 50watt, which is basically a Krank Nineteen80 and I think both of these companies are severely undervalued for what they do. My amp cost me 550 bucks brand new and it's everything I want in a rock amp. I'm going to pair it with a Mesa 2x12 and some proper 12ax7s tubes and it's gonna be glorious.

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Yeah, they are very reliable. They are a good backup because they are loud and can take bouncing around in the back of the truck for years. They sound shit, they're just solid shit.
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are we still talking about those damn Dumble amps?

I think the whole vibe about them is as stupid as the name suggests!
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I wouldn't say a Valvestate or a Bandit are undervalued at all, they're crap.


There are people who like those amps, I would say it's just a matter of taste. Valvestate was used to make some of the best death metal tones ever. Chuck Schuldiner from band Death always used it and he wasn't the only one.

Another band called At The Gates actually used Boss Heavy Metal pedal plugged in Peavey Bandit on their Slaughter of the Soul album and it became a legendary sound for that kind of music. So obviously there are people who like those amps.
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^ the valnøtt pedal is the absolute pinnacle of death metal tone, IMO
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There are people who like those amps, I would say it's just a matter of taste. Valvestate was used to make some of the best death metal tones ever. Chuck Schuldiner from band Death always used it and he wasn't the only one.

Another band called At The Gates actually used Boss Heavy Metal pedal plugged in Peavey Bandit on their Slaughter of the Soul album and it became a legendary sound for that kind of music. So obviously there are people who like those amps.



Cath knows the Death tone. And hates it.

Actually I think it was Peavey Supreme? Oh whatever, the same god damn thing. Metalzone and HM-2 into Peavey solid state and "gothenburg" metal sound was born. In Flames got the same with Valvestate instead, though now they have moved on to 5150/6505 I think.

*edit* Entombed had just HM2 into a Bandit on their iconic albums.
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Cath knows the Death tone. And hates it.

Actually I think it was Peavey Supreme? Oh whatever, the same god damn thing. Metalzone and HM-2 into Peavey solid state and "gothenburg" metal sound was born. In Flames got the same with Valvestate instead, though now they have moved on to 5150/6505 I think.

*edit* Entombed had just HM2 into a Bandit on their iconic albums.


Dismember used HM-2 too as far as I know, I think theirs was plugged into a Marshall TSL (not sure about the amp).
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Dismember used HM-2 too as far as I know, I think theirs was plugged into a Marshall TSL (not sure about the amp).



Of course. Cranked HM2 was THE pedal that was the source of the Swedish Sunlight Studios buzzsaw sound afterall, no other pedal (other than clones) have the same effect.
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Of course. Cranked HM2 was THE pedal that was the source of the Swedish Sunlight Studios buzzsaw sound afterall, no other pedal (other than clones) have the same effect.


Looking at your sig I can see that you're a big fan of old school death metal. Valvestate, X2N and Behringer which is actually a HM-2 clone, right?
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