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Old 09-15-2013, 11:23 AM   #1
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Good amp to sound powerful?

I need to know a good amp to sound powerful.
At the moment I'm using a DigiTech pedal with the high low setting.
If you're unsure as to what I mean, listen to the riff in 'A New Level' by Pantera. Especially the section where Dimebag palm mutes the riff. It sounds so powerful!

Any ideas?
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:11 PM   #2
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he used solid state randalls

i'd rather have a peavey 6505



dimebag was an awesome guitar player with an iffy (IMO) tone. His playing (IMO) is beyond reproach; his tone, not so much.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:20 PM   #3
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Dime's tone was so terrible, a 13 year old aspiring metal guitarist with a squire and a Marshall MG could get a better tone.

The heavyness in the song is mainly due to the bass guitar supporting the lows anyways.

You can make any amp sound heavy with palm mutes, just takes some tweaking.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:25 PM   #4
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While some people believe Dime's tone was terrible, I think it was absolutely perfect for the music they were making. I don't think you would have the same effect or vibe from the music if he played with a Les Paul and a Marshall, or any other combination.
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Old 09-15-2013, 12:25 PM   #5
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I heartily recommed the Randall RG1503 i have. The channel 1 is close to the RG100ES Dime used. Its a raw sounding solid state so dont expect rich tube harmonics but thats kinda the idea. A modeler its not and not meant to be, its old style Randall solid state.

Also has ton of bass available. Bit hard to EQ (active EQ me guess? The volume goes noticeably up as you turn the mids higher) but turn the mids quite high and then enable the midscoop button, good starting point for good Thrash sound.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:23 PM   #6
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Any krank amp will get you a Dime-ish sound. Carvin V3 also
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:42 PM   #7
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While some people believe Dime's tone was terrible, I think it was absolutely perfect for the music they were making. I don't think you would have the same effect or vibe from the music if he played with a Les Paul and a Marshall, or any other combination.


maybe so, but I mean i reckon he'd have still sounded pretty heavy with a 6505/5150. Not exactly the same, sure, but it's not like his only two options were his randall or a fender twin, lol.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:19 AM   #8
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While some people believe Dime's tone was terrible, I think it was absolutely perfect for the music they were making. I don't think you would have the same effect or vibe from the music if he played with a Les Paul and a Marshall, or any other combination.

A Les Paul with EMGs or whatever shrill, high-output passives and a Marshall Valvestate or Mode 4 could have provided the same sort of tone as well probably.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:23 AM   #9
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While some people believe Dime's tone was terrible, I think it was absolutely perfect for the music they were making. I don't think you would have the same effect or vibe from the music if he played with a Les Paul and a Marshall, or any other combination.

Bollocks. I've got every Pantera album so it's not like I don't like them but Dime's tone was shit. I can't listen to it without thinking, "how ****ing good would that be thru a Recto or SLO" (depending on the track.)
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:15 AM   #10
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A Les Paul with EMGs or whatever shrill, high-output passives and a Marshall Valvestate or Mode 4 could have provided the same sort of tone as well probably.


I doubt it. Valvestate and Randall are quite the opposite in sound spectrum, they have nothing in common other than being solid state (yes, I ignore the tube inside VS. Its gimmick). Hell, I have the modern equivalent of the old Randall and VS8100 right beside me and have compared them to death by now.
You could boost the bejeezus out of mids up front and then scoop them out again at FX loop with two EQ pedals like Dime did with Valvestate but it wouldnt sound the same I bet.

Valvestate is quite fizzy and quite thin by nature and needs to have bass pretty much maxed out if you want some body out of it, where as Randall is very dirty and gritty and VERY punchy (Randall trademark I bet, the RG75 combo I used to own was similar) in the low end. It shakes walls without trying where as Valvestate sounds very small next to it.

I dont really like Dime tone (actually I hate it also, too plasticky for the lack of better words) but it is quite special IMHO.
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I don't think dime used a lot of bass because of a tutorial of walk dude had a line 6 vetta and he used a fireball model with the bass at zero and he nailed the tone exactly
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maybe so, but I mean i reckon he'd have still sounded pretty heavy with a 6505/5150. Not exactly the same, sure, but it's not like his only two options were his randall or a fender twin, lol.


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Anyway take a look at the Ampeg VH140 and the Crate GX130 (I'm not sure that's the right model, someone please correct me if not).
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It's not Dimes tone I'm after, just that raw pummeling crunchy lows.
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dimebag was an awesome guitar player with an iffy (IMO) tone. His playing (IMO) is beyond reproach; his tone, not so much.

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Old 09-17-2013, 07:24 AM   #15
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It's not Dimes tone I'm after, just that raw pummeling crunchy lows.
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6505. Nuff said.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:31 PM   #16
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If "powerful" is what you are after, take a look at Diamond's Nitrox. The thing could be classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the U.N. Not cheap, but worth every cent.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:11 PM   #17
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just in reference for dime's tone, i have owned two Randall RG100ES heads. paid less than $100 for either one. one had bad filter caps (this was maybe 2009?) and i didn't feel that i could recap myself. the other was much better, but i just downsized a bit. downsizing really didn't work thouogh. a year later i had more shit. now i have like 13 heads and a few combos or something stupid. i am going through my gear and putting stuff in storage in closets. i just put a 1968 bassman and a blue voodoo in storage, and i have two i need to do some work on.

i have almost bought another RG100ES twice in the last month. a local shop has one in for $120, i have played it twice, but i have so much other stuff its not really practical.

however, RG100ES is dime. BUT it can do other things too.

look into a splawn nitro with kt88's

i have it on a 2x12" 1x15" Randall (ironically) with two T75's and some eminence 15"cab. its got some balls. it has a small port on the front.
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