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Old 11-25-2013, 12:45 PM   #1
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BK Butler * Real Tube * Blue Tube * Tube Driver * Tube Works

I've been seeking an all tube amp head from:
1) * BK Butler
2) * Real Tube
3) * Blue Tube
4) * Tube Driver
5) * Tube Works

I tend to run into MosValve amps, solid state amps, and
solid state with a 12AX7 preamp driver from the above five.

I do know they're all one company with different product names, all are
discontinued and that Genz Benz currently has the names and products

ANYBODY know if BK Butler/Tube Works made an all-tube
amp head during the 1980s/1990s with no solid state output?


Which amp head model? Even all-tube combo amps
or rackmounts would be good to know. Thank you.

Or, am I seeking something that does not exist?

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Old 11-25-2013, 04:01 PM   #2
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Old 11-25-2013, 04:15 PM   #3
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Why do you want it so bad? Did you play one and it's like "OMGawd must have"?

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Old 11-25-2013, 05:35 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Toppscore
I've been seeking an all tube amp head from:
1) * BK Butler
2) * Real Tube
3) * Blue Tube
4) * Tube Driver
5) * Tube Works

Or, am I seeking something that does not exist?


doesn't exist.

his amps were pretty much platforms for his Tube Driver pedals, so just about every one of his amps is going to have Tube Driver built into it... inherently making his amps 'hybrid' rather than 'all-tube'.

most of his amps ran the mosvalve technology for the power section, it was kinda his baby. he did release a 'provalve' series that had a 6L6 power section and he also had a series of pedals (like the Real Tube) that did use 12AX-7's but he had no amps that were 'all-tube'.

honestly, you are barking up the wrong tree to begin with. the reason you get a BK Butler amp is because of the Tube Driver or Mosvalve technology he used. these are not tube technologies so... you aren't gonna find a BK Butler amp that is 'all-tube'

edit: i wasn't gonna answer this cuz TS has a rep and the question kinda seems like a troll post, but since i see where this is going i thought one person should make an honest attempt at an answer before the fallout occurs.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:30 PM   #5
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Why do I want a BK Butler/Tube Works amp head?
I own several of their rackmount preamps: Real Tube, Chandler and Blue Tube.
Plus, a Real Tube 12AX7 Overdrive stomp pedal. Good products.


Just discovered before I read your comment that Tube Works
had/has a line of ProValve all-tube amplifiers:

1) Tube Works ProValve 100 = 60w per channel,
2U rackmount driven by two 6L6 tubes.

2) Tube Works ProValve 60-T = 60w amp head
with spring reverb, driven by two 6L6 tubes.

Learn something new everyday!
Looks like the ProValve 60-T is something to investigate.

Gumbleishous ~ BIG QUESTION???
Why do you not consider these two amps to NOT be tube driven?

Both with 6L6 power tubes. What do you think?

No trolling. My goal is to see if BK Butler/Tube Works have anything worth
chasing. I have several BK Butler rackmount preamps.
Blue Tube RT904, Blue Tube RT924, Real Tube pedal, etc.


Here's a couple of manuals for the Tube Works all-tube ProValve series.
http://www.genzbenz.com/img/manuals/...e100RT4250.pdf
http://www.genzbenz.com/img/manuals/...UserManual.pdf

Enjoy.

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Old 11-25-2013, 11:46 PM   #6
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gumbilicious ~ BIG QUESTION???
Why do you not consider these two amps to NOT be tube driven?

Both with 6L6 power tubes. What do you think?


those provalve series have no preamp tubes as best as i can tell, so the preamp would be solid state.

there is a difference between 'all-tube' and a hybrid amplifier. your previous query was 'Does tubeworks have all tube amps' and the answer is 'No'. all tube would imply the lack of non-tube transistors or opamps in the design and all BK Butler products use such solid state components.

they do have an amp with a 12AX-7 in the preamp and they also have that provalve series with a tube power section but neither of those is an 'all tube' amp, they are hybrid tube/SS amps.

beyond that, these amps are designed to get most of the 'driven' tone from the Tube Driver style preamp he includes in the amp. so if the desire is to get a pure tube tone from a Tube Works amp then that is just not going to happen.

i would suspect even their pre amps with 12AX7 tubes make use of opamps or transistors. i have not consulted any schematics, it is just a hunch.

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No trolling. My goal is to see if BK Butler/Tube Works have anything worth chasing.


that is a different question altogether. as best as i can tell, and from my limited experience with a Tube Driver, BK Butler's products are quite good and desirable.

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I have several BK Butler rackmount preamps.
Blue Tube RT904, Blue Tube RT924, Real Tube pedal, etc.


why not just get a tube power amp for these rackmounted modules then? the real tube preamp modules with a tube power amp will be more 'all tube' or 'tube driven' than any of his amps he made.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:39 AM   #7
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Ok, much as I have issues with Toppscore's obsessive gear-sniffing, I really have to ask.

You already have a number of Butler's rack mounts. What's so special about a certain design specification of this company that you're almost willing to sell your left nut for?

If your rig is as comprehensive as you say so, why not explore another make? It makes for more variety.

I've heard people selling their first-borns for a Dumble, but never a Butler.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:50 AM   #8
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:54 AM   #9
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those provalve series have no preamp tubes as best as i can tell, so the preamp would be solid state. there is a difference between 'all-tube' and a hybrid amplifier. your previous query was 'Does tubeworks have all tube amps' and the answer is 'No'. all tube would imply the lack of non-tube transistors or opamps in the design and all BK Butler products use such solid state components.

they do have an amp with a 12AX-7 in the preamp and they also have that provalve series with a tube power section but neither of those is an 'all tube' amp, they are hybrid tube/SS amps.

beyond that, these amps are designed to get most of the 'driven' tone from the Tube Driver style preamp he includes in the amp. so if the desire is to get a pure tube tone from a Tube Works amp then that is just not going to happen.

i would suspect even their pre amps with 12AX7 tubes make use of opamps or transistors. i have not consulted any schematics, it is just a hunch.

that is a different question altogether. as best as i can tell, and from my limited experience with a Tube Driver, BK Butler's products are quite good and desirable.

why not just get a tube power amp for these rackmounted modules then? the real tube preamp modules with a tube power amp will be more 'all tube' or 'tube driven' than any of his amps he made.



Thanks. Much appreciated.
I will look for an amp head from another mfg.
I really like the BK Butler/Tube Work products.
Just did not know if they had anything besides
hybrid amps. Take care.
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Ok, much as I have issues with Toppscore's obsessive gear-sniffing, I really have to ask.

You already have a number of Butler's rack mounts. What's so special about a certain design specification of this company that you're almost willing to sell your left nut for?

If your rig is as comprehensive as you say so, why not explore another make? It makes for more variety.

I've heard people selling their first-borns for a Dumble, but never a Butler.



I'm looking at other 1980s/1990s power amp heads, as well.
Lee Jackson and Peavey are top of the list.
Not dying for BK Butler/Tube Works ~ just did not know
if they offered a "tube" amp head. Apparently not.
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:00 AM   #11
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Old 11-26-2013, 03:32 AM   #12
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I'm looking at other 1980s/1990s power amp heads, as well.
Lee Jackson and Peavey are top of the list.
Not dying for BK Butler/Tube Works ~ just did not know
if they offered a "tube" amp head. Apparently not.
Take care.


Honestly as far as I can tell Butler is more commonly associated with their stompboxes rather than their amps.

Something more interesting sounding would probably be something from Ampeg, Sovtek or even an Evil Robot might be something different from most of the amps that get mad props on UG.
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Honestly as far as I can tell Butler is more commonly associated with their stompboxes rather than their amps. Something more interesting sounding would probably be something from Ampeg, Sovtek or even an Evil Robot might be something different from most of the amps that get mad props on UG.


I have noticed and tested many Tube Works MosValve
and BK Butler Tube Driver and other amps from those companies.
Including rackmount, amp head and combo amp.

But, according to Gumbilicious, they do not make an amp
that is like the Fender amps with preamp tubes driving channels
and the power tubes driving the output.

I will continue to seek Peavey 5150, Rockmaster, Encore and the Peavey Triumph.
Also, I just bought a Lee Jackson SP1000 1U rackmount power amplifiter
and will be trying to get a Lee Jackson amp head.

Thanks for all the help towards BK Butler/Tube Works.
One less road to travel down.
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I would sell Toppscore's first-born for a ****ing ice cream sandwich.
Gotta admit, I laughed a lot at this.

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I would sell Toppscore's first-born for a ****ing ice cream sandwich.

Problem DBD is your tiny little middle-third-leg limpy TWIG can't ***k anything,
much less melted ice cream. But you can yourself

Thank the Man upstairs that you, your hand and your limpy twig cannot reproduce.
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Gotta admit, I laughed a lot at this.


What was born ~ a cookie tin amp . . . .
Seems like another DeathByDestroyr failed reproduction attempt.
Try doing DBD in cigar tin boxes, next time
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gee he really went full out on DBD. i guess that one's been building up for a while.
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