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Old 01-14-2014, 06:01 PM   #1
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What is a Conservative Punk?

Simply put, a Punk Rocker who happens to have a Conservative/Libertarian standpoint and outlook on politics. This is not an oxymoron because if punk is really against government then there's no way they can logically work towards communism because communism is basically where the government controls every aspect of an individual's life! Where's the anarchy in that, you brainwashed idiots?! While it's worth noting that some Conservative Punks are genuine neo-conservative right wingers, the majority of them have a very strong Libertarian tilt to their political ideology. Today punk kids are led to believe that communism is the way to be although they preach anarchy. Thus calling themselves, Anarcho-communists. However this makes no sense because of the fact that these two ideals lie on the opposite sides of the spectrum. Truly educated punks who adopt conservative/libertarian ideals know that they highly oppose the government are the true anarchists that try to push for smaller government.

Famous Conservative Punks include:
Johnny Ramone
Lee Ving (Fear)
Members of the Vandals
Ben Weasel
Michale Graves ('Newfits, Gotham Road) (yes, the newfits suck, i know)
AntiSeen
Bobby Steele (The Misfits, yes, the original misfits. the Undead)

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Old 01-18-2014, 04:39 AM   #2
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Communism is literally defined as a classless, stateless society where no money and the means of production are shared in common. Organizationally, it is a non-hierarchical federation of communes. The two ideals are NOT opposites, but in fact have the same end goal. The confusion comes from the historical popularity of Marxist-Leninism, which states that to reach communism ( a classless, stateless society), society must first go through a transitional stage, known as the dictatorship of the proletariat (improperly defined as socialism by that ****wit Lenin). Anarchists advocate reaching communism by going straight into it, using the pre-revolutionary period as the transition by building up the social organizations that will run society post-revolution.

That's really the simplest way to put it.


Marx and Bakunin had arguments over the role of anarchism vs. transitional authoritarianism, which lead to the expulsion of Bakunin from the first international.

The term "libertarian" was also coined by an anarcho-communist, and was used to describe ancoms until the 2nd half of the 20th century in the US where the extreme right hijacked the term (and they were damn proud of it too!). Elsewhere, when people hear libertarian they instantly think of anarchists, not minarchist capitalists.


Now, conservative means defending the old way, conserving, so no, you can't have a conservative punk in terms of ideology.

Punk has, and always will be, a political statement. Sure, you can be in a shitty band that plays something that sounds kinda like punk and promotes non-leftist ideologies, but it isn't really punk without that message behind it.

Libertarianism leads to corporate dictatorship, as anyone with a functioning brain and knowledge of both US and world history (you are obviously missing the latter, proven by your complete ignorance on the topic of communism, socialism, and it would appear punk in general), and I can assure you, corporate dictatorship isn't very punk.

Now go listen to some d-beat, read a book on the topic (not written by rothbard, mises, or any other of those moronic twits) and learn something. You're probably old enough to legally use this website, which means you're too damned old to think communism is totalitarianism and be taken seriously.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:22 PM   #3
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One would argue that now-a-days the most punk thing is to be a clean cut conservative.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:03 PM   #4
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Communism is literally defined as a classless, stateless society where no money and the means of production are shared in common. Organizationally, it is a non-hierarchical federation of communes. The two ideals are NOT opposites, but in fact have the same end goal. The confusion comes from the historical popularity of Marxist-Leninism, which states that to reach communism ( a classless, stateless society), society must first go through a transitional stage, known as the dictatorship of the proletariat (improperly defined as socialism by that ****wit Lenin). Anarchists advocate reaching communism by going straight into it, using the pre-revolutionary period as the transition by building up the social organizations that will run society post-revolution.

That's really the simplest way to put it.


Marx and Bakunin had arguments over the role of anarchism vs. transitional authoritarianism, which lead to the expulsion of Bakunin from the first international.

The term "libertarian" was also coined by an anarcho-communist, and was used to describe ancoms until the 2nd half of the 20th century in the US where the extreme right hijacked the term (and they were damn proud of it too!). Elsewhere, when people hear libertarian they instantly think of anarchists, not minarchist capitalists.


Now, conservative means defending the old way, conserving, so no, you can't have a conservative punk in terms of ideology.

Punk has, and always will be, a political statement. Sure, you can be in a shitty band that plays something that sounds kinda like punk and promotes non-leftist ideologies, but it isn't really punk without that message behind it.

Libertarianism leads to corporate dictatorship, as anyone with a functioning brain and knowledge of both US and world history (you are obviously missing the latter, proven by your complete ignorance on the topic of communism, socialism, and it would appear punk in general), and I can assure you, corporate dictatorship isn't very punk.

Now go listen to some d-beat, read a book on the topic (not written by rothbard, mises, or any other of those moronic twits) and learn something. You're probably old enough to legally use this website, which means you're too damned old to think communism is totalitarianism and be taken seriously.


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Old 01-23-2014, 09:01 PM   #5
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I am quite sure that libertarian and conservative are not on the same side of politics. In some situations I guess corporations are free to grow, but that isn't all that either party is about. Rightfully both are opposite, I'd figure.

But again I don't do politics, so you can probably just ignore what I said.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:13 AM   #6
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Definitely an oxymoron...
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:23 AM   #7
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if you're a conservative punk you're literally the worst person that could exist

also people need to stop complaining about communism that argument is so tired we should give it a nap
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:24 AM   #8
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:37 PM   #9
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I'm not even sorry for reviving this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/o...wanted=all&_r=0

A rather famous historian weighs in.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:48 PM   #12
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I'm glad to see you're still alive ss311 but was this really the way to let us know?
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One would argue that now-a-days the most punk thing is to be a clean cut conservative.


Seriously, I'm too punk for tattoos and I shower sometimes twice daily.
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Old 10-09-2014, 02:28 PM   #14
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Honestly, if you support communism... you're an idiot. Um, China, North Korea, etc.? I'm sorry, but I will not pretend to cry over some fat ass like Kim Jung Un whatever his name is. Punk rock is about sticking it to the man. Punk rock is NOT conservative. Punk rock is LIBERTARIAN. Economic AND social freedoms. That means an open-market system, private insurance, little to no taxes, people have power over the police (police brutality), same-sex marriage, marijuana is legal (this is a no brainer. Alcohol is only legal because politicians like to get drunk), etc. 'Anarchy in the UK' anyone?
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Honestly, if you support communism... you're an idiot. Um, China, North Korea, etc.? I'm sorry, but I will not pretend to cry over some fat ass like Kim Jung Un whatever his name is. Punk rock is about sticking it to the man. Punk rock is NOT conservative. Punk rock is LIBERTARIAN. Economic AND social freedoms. That means an open-market system, private insurance, little to no taxes, people have power over the police (police brutality), same-sex marriage, marijuana is legal (this is a no brainer. Alcohol is only legal because politicians like to get drunk), etc. 'Anarchy in the UK' anyone?


They also have a veracious appetite for firearms because they're very logical, responsible and embrace freedom.
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:36 PM   #16
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i should not waste my time or contribute to this embarrassment, but oh well --
punk is not "political" in the sense that it is inherently tied to a particular political/economic system. it is political in the sense that it rejects/critiques/interrogates the bourgeois values of parents/teachers/government/church/mr. suit -- this can manifest itself in "leftist" politics, but just as easily descends into the nihilism & self-destruction that punk is so often caricatured as (& often is/was). at any rate, it is obviously not "conservative".
punk is also pretty egalitarian (via its amateurism).

libertarians wanna get rid of gov't but if robber barons are in charge then that is ok. gimme a break.

please stop being poseurs.
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Old 10-13-2014, 01:38 PM   #17
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Brian we all know you are a conservative at heart.

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I'm glad to see you're still alive ss311 but was this really the way to let us know?


Thank you, good sir. I do confess you are probably right. It seems I have missed my chance to announce my survival in a grand manner.

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Old 10-16-2014, 05:24 PM   #19
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Really not sure how someone who follows punk music to that level can have enough cognitive dissonance as to believe in the right-wing. Your head would probably explode.

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Honestly, if you support communism... you're an idiot. Um, China, North Korea, etc.? I'm sorry, but I will not pretend to cry over some fat ass like Kim Jung Un whatever his name is.
I hate to break it to you but you have no idea what leftism is because communism needn't be authoritarian.
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Really not sure how someone who follows punk music to that level can have enough cognitive dissonance as to believe in the right-wing. Your head would probably explode.

well, not necessarily. as i said, punk has often been construed & expressed as nihilism, and it's easy to see how someone with "no values" can fall for a "philosophy" (libertarianism) that ostensibly offers social freedom & individual liberty via "small government."

not to suggest that i condone right-wing punk.
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