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Old 02-13-2014, 12:39 AM   #1
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what guitar should i get?

i'm looking to get a new guitar. i'm a beginner and i want to get a "Gibson 2014 Les Paul Studio Pro". i really liked this guitar, however, i noticed that the previous guitar i started out with, has a tremelo arm. now, this may sound like a dumb question, but i would like to know why the "Gibson 2014 Les Paul Studio Pro" does not have a tremelo arm. what's the difference? is this good or bad? also, could you guys help me choose a really good guitar within my budget of about 1500USD. thank you!

btw, forgot to add this. i like to play metal, alternative rock, sometimes blues stuff.

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Old 02-13-2014, 01:06 AM   #2
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Because you tend to get more sustane without a tremelo. As far as I know the alex lifeson les Paul is the only one that comes with a trem. There's a few parts you can buy to add a tremalo without drilling but there expensive and I think your better off adding a bigsby if you want to go that route.

If your not set on Gibson there's a lot of options out there in your price range I would look into PRS ce22 or the s2 custom 24.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:55 AM   #3
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That is a large budget for a complete beginner, remember to buy a good amp because that is possibly more important than the guitar.

As for the tremolo arm, it's just up to your preference. Are you going to use it? If not it will be easier to tune without it.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:34 AM   #4
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If you really want a tremelo arm, maybe a gibson LP isnt the guitar for you. they are made for there warm, sustaining tone which might be compromised by installing a tremelo. look more into the strat body guitars, like G&L, fender, and maybe ibanez (if your into that sort of thing). another thing, realize that most LPs are heavy. look at your favorite musicians, what are they playing. you dont have to copy them but it helps you get an idea. i personally prefer strat or "s" bodies, but that is just me. the PRS custom 24 is a bit out of your price range, but you can get it with a floyd rose tremelo. which helps the strings not go out of tune when you use it but you must first, learn how to use it, and be prepared to take about an hour to change your strings.
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:49 AM   #5
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Tremolo arms are for all the cool players! Get yourself a nice heavy superstrat, I've played some Kramer's that have sustain near that of a LP. Plus double cutaway makes it easier to get to the higher frets.

And, of course, there's nothing better then a pointy reverse headstock
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Old 02-13-2014, 11:29 AM   #6
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PRS Orianthi SE should do the trick
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:23 PM   #7
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And, of course, there's nothing better then a pointy reverse headstock




Very, very true. Try looking at the Jackson Soloist series. They have a trem arm and is below your budget. It's on my radar too.


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As far as I know the alex lifeson les Paul is the only one that comes with a trem


The Epiphone Nightfall comes with a floyd.
http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Le...-Nightfall.aspx

But $1500 for a beginners budget? I'm jealous now
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:57 PM   #8
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Depends on what you want to do with this guitar long term and if you're looking at it as an investment vs personal instrument. Gibson will keep value probably better than most.
You can also get PRS although choice is a little limited in that area.
As far as the trem arm - if you're beginner a trem is an impediment, and will complicate string changes, tuning, intonation, etc. Personally I'd advise you to stay away from it.

I would suggest a slightly alternate route since you mentioned that you like blues as well as metal. I got a Music Man Steve Morse which covers the whole range of sounds from blues to metal, lots of tonal switches, etc.
http://www.epinions.com/reviews/Ern...lectric_Guitars

You can also go with two guitars, say LTD Eclipse tops of the line for around $1000 and a hollow body blues guitar for about $500.

Have a look at Charvel super strats as well - for around $1000 they are great.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:04 PM   #9
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Thank you very much for everyone's suggestion. I will be looking into all of your recommendations.
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:54 PM   #10
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I deffinately agree with the comment about making sure you have a good amp and or peddle board. If you upgrade those first, you can get some pretty sweet guitars for less than your budget and have a killer sound to go with it.
If you are set on a guitar, I would shy away from the trem as a beginner. I still don't like them and I've been playin for quite a while. Every brand has something in that price range, but you might get more for your money going with something other than gibson.
And to quote above, there is something about a pointy reverse headstock, or a wizard neck.
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:28 PM   #11
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i may decide to upgrade my amp soon as well, but bringing up the topic, which amp would you guys recommend out of all these 3:

1. Fender '68 Custom Twin Reverb 85W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp with Celestion G12V-70s Speaker Black
2. Fender Vintage Reissue '65 Super Reverb 4X10 Guitar Combo Amp
3. Fender '65 Twin Custom 15 Combo Amp

if these are not good enough, what would you guys recommend getting for the same budget of 1500USD. i'm also thinking about getting a multi effects pedal and i was looking into "DigiTech RP355 Guitar Multi Effects Pedal with Expression Pedal", but please give me more suggestions on these. thank you all!
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:31 AM   #12
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I've only ever played 1 fender amp. It was a champ sothat doesn't count. My favorite combo was a peavey classic 50 2x12. Great combo with a POD live board. The amp was strong enough to play with an extremely loud drummer. It did need the peddle. It's distortion wasn't metal enough.
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:48 AM   #13
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i may decide to upgrade my amp soon as well, but bringing up the topic, which amp would you guys recommend out of all these 3:

1. Fender '68 Custom Twin Reverb 85W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp with Celestion G12V-70s Speaker Black
2. Fender Vintage Reissue '65 Super Reverb 4X10 Guitar Combo Amp
3. Fender '65 Twin Custom 15 Combo Amp

if these are not good enough, what would you guys recommend getting for the same budget of 1500USD. i'm also thinking about getting a multi effects pedal and i was looking into "DigiTech RP355 Guitar Multi Effects Pedal with Expression Pedal", but please give me more suggestions on these. thank you all!


what type(s) of music do you want to play? it's not so much about not being "good enough", it's about getting something suitable.
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Old 02-14-2014, 12:40 PM   #14
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1. Fender '68 Custom Twin Reverb 85W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp with Celestion G12V-70s Speaker Black
2. Fender Vintage Reissue '65 Super Reverb 4X10 Guitar Combo Amp
3. Fender '65 Twin Custom 15 Combo Amp



These are all fine amps for blues, wouldn't want any of them for metal. Multifx units are fine if you get your distortion from the amp, I still haven't heard one of these that sounds as good or better than amp distortion.

Maybe you need to reformulate the question as I am not sure if your budget is $1500 overall or $1500 for amp/pedals and $1500 for guitar.
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:17 PM   #15
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i want the amp to play metal, alternative rock stuff mostly and it would be $1500 for the amp and probably multifx as the one i posted is about $200 and another $1500 for the guitar.

so what would be a good amp to play metal, alternative rock or even switch it to blues once in a while. how about a marshall or orange? if so, which models would you recommend. i want something nice. i know i'm a beginner, but i would like to get something worth. i don't want to keep upgrading each time. thanks guys!

oh, btw, i guess i don't care much about the tremolo arm anymore as i can always use my ibanez i currently have if i need to. i did like the "Gibson Les Paul Studio Pro 2014", BUT, after reading your comments, it would be a much better idea to get a couple of guitars instead of just one expensive one. right? the gibson is a nice one though, what are you guys thoughts on it?

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Old 02-14-2014, 04:25 PM   #16
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In that case you're pretty well set from a budget perspective.

I'd probably look at Carvin V3 or Mesa Mini Rectifier. Probably will go to individual effects or a processor that can do a 4 cable setup (you can look that up), like the Boss GT-100, or probably not even bother with fx but put that $$ in the amp.

Amps - you need to decide size, how many channels, band situation/bedroom practice.
For example - the Carvin V3 has 3 channels that are switchable so you can ideally cover blues, rock, metal with one switch of the channel. On other amps you have to stop, make your changes and then go.

Guitars - plenty to choose in that range, find out what is comfortable on your hand (neck radius, width, etc.) and then make an educated decision.
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oh, btw, i guess i don't care much about the tremolo arm anymore as i can always use my ibanez i currently have if i need to. i did like the "Gibson Les Paul Studio Pro 2014", BUT, after reading your comments, it would be a much better idea to get a couple of guitars instead of just one expensive one. right? the gibson is a nice one though, what are you guys thoughts on it?


not necessarily- it depends on how wide a range of tones you need and whether you can get all of those from the one guitar, or if you're gigging you might want a backup guitar in case you break a string, etc. etc.

lots of nice amps around the $1500 mark. What bands/guitar players do you mean when you say "metal", "alternative rock" and "blues"?
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What bands/guitar players do you mean when you say "metal", "alternative rock" and "blues"?


Metallica
Black Sabbath
Scorpions
Soundgarden
Korn
Slipknot
Rage Against the Machine
White Zombie
3 Doors Down
AFI
Chevelle
Muse
Def Leppard
Saliva
Skid Row
Staind
Green Day
Disturbed
Lifehouse
Redhot chili peppers
Guns N roses
Weezer
Nirvana
B.B. King
carlos santana
joe satriani
eric clapton

there is more, but i can't remember their names. just a touch of blues, not a lot. i prefer some metal and mostly alternative rock. i like to switch between. the tube amps diabolical mentioned are awesome, but right now i'm looking for a combo. i thought the fender amps were going to be good, but i'm inexperienced, so maybe you guys could help me pick out something better. thank you!
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The Fender amps are great but not for metal.

Look maybe at the Valveking or one of the other Peavey tube combos.
Orange Dark Terror maybe...
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Because you tend to get more sustane without a tremelo. As far as I know the alex lifeson les Paul is the only one that comes with a trem.


The Gibson Axcess (the Alex Lifeson signature is just one version of the Axcess) is in the $3K-$4K range. It's not the only one with a Floyd Rose Trem, however.

Gibson just announced a Traditional Pro 2 that comes with a Floyd Rose trem (in the $2K range)

They also sell the Studio Shred, which can currently be had at $1K and under, and that has a Floyd Rose.

You don't get more sustain without a trem. I have Floyd Roses on four or five LP-ish guitars (only one is an Axcess Custom) and they all have at least as much sustain as their counterparts without trems. This is particularly true if you have one of the Floyd Upgrade type brass sustain blocks on the thing.

The other benefit of the Floyd on an LP type guitar is that it will generally stay in tune MUCH better than a standard LP (you don't have the issues with the strings getting hung up in the nut or the bridge saddles on bends, etc.).
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