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Old 02-13-2014, 02:25 PM   #1
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Best passive Metal Pups for my guitar?

Hey all, new to UG

So I have a Peavey Vypyr 75 and a Dean ML XM with stock passive pickups and Paulownia wood, I play thrash metal like thrash era Metallica, Pantera, some Maiden, some Melodeath like Kalmah and some classic metal stuff like Sabbath

I wanna change pups because the stock humbuckers on my ML XM aren't that good
I've read tons of stuff here, and I've been looking at Duncan Distortions, Duncan Invaders, Duncan SH-4 Jbs, Dimarzio X2N, EMGHz, etc.

I play rhythm guitar

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Old 02-13-2014, 02:27 PM   #2
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With a modelling amp like a Vypyr, you're not going to hear as much of a difference in tone with a pickup change as you will a tube amp. So it'll be better to invest in that instead.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:30 PM   #3
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Upgrade to a nice tube amp before you spend money on pickups. Changing pickups is just fine tuning your tone even further. The amp however will provide 90% of your tone. Here's a vid of duncan's "metal" pickups through a nice tube amp.

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Old 02-13-2014, 02:34 PM   #4
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Emg HZ sucks. Low output and thin sounding. If you want EMGs, go for their actives. Thats the Metallica route.
Duncan Distortion is relatively safe choice. JB is modified, brighter version of it. Dave Mustaine used to use JBs for quite a while.

Invader divides opinions. If you play Morbid Angel type stuff this is the pickup to go to but otherwise maybe not.

I love Dimarzio X2N, insane output and growl. Not the most articulate pickup out there but not muddy either if you keep them relatively far from magnets. Its insane pickup for insane sounds.
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With a modelling amp like a Vypyr, you're not going to hear as much of a difference in tone with a pickup change as you will a tube amp. So it'll be better to invest in that instead.


Vypyr is analog. If I can hear pickup differences through digital Line 6 Pod the Vypyr will do fine I believe.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:43 PM   #6
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Vypyr is analog. If I can hear pickup differences through digital Line 6 Pod the Vypyr will do fine I believe.



It still makes more sense to invest in a better amp than to buy new pickups. I know there will be a difference in tone between 2 guitars in a modelling amp, its just not as pronounced as with a tube amp.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:55 PM   #7
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Thanks for the answers so far, but im pretty young so buying an actual tube amp like a 6505 or a Recto is pretty much impossible and the Vypyr is pretty decent for me. I want a Master of Puppets tone, like Orion for example.
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Thanks for the answers so far, but im pretty young so buying an actual tube amp like a 6505 or a Recto is pretty much impossible and the Vypyr is pretty decent for me. I want a Master of Puppets tone, like Orion for example.



Then its the EMG 81 bridge and 85 set or the EMG Het Set. Just make sure you have room for 9 volt battery in the control cavity of your guitar. Installation is also easy with the solderless kit.
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:23 PM   #9
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Old 02-13-2014, 03:25 PM   #10
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Thanks for the answers so far, but im pretty young so buying an actual tube amp like a 6505 or a Recto is pretty much impossible and the Vypyr is pretty decent for me. I want a Master of Puppets tone, like Orion for example.

You can buy a 6505+ 112 for $500 used. That isn't beyond the realms of possibility with some commitment, no?
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You can buy a 6505+ 112 for $500 used. That isn't beyond the realms of possibility with some commitment, no?


The 112 doesn't sound that great though unless you change the speaker and tubes.

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Seymour Duncan Dimebucker for the bridge and a Sh1 59er for the neck.


If you want decent cleans, the Dimebucker is a bad choice. I've got an Invader which is less hot and the cleans aren't good at all. I got that about 4-5 years ago and since then, I've much preferred a lower output pickup and let my Pod do the work. My new PRS has got lower output pickups but the distortion tone is so much cleaner and tighter compared to that.

I would say the Seymour Duncan JB or Duncan Distortion are the best choices. Stay clear of the HZ
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:55 PM   #13
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The 112 doesn't sound that great though unless you change the speaker and tubes.

Good luck finding a combo in that price range that doesn't need new speakers and tubes.

When you take into account the fact that you can get them used so cheap offsets the cost of modding them. Once they are modded with a new speaker, new tubes and maybe putting a tubescreamer in front of them, they sound epic. It isn't an ideal scenario (what is when anyone is on a strict budget?), but at least the amp has the potential to sound great, which is really the more important thing imo.
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Good luck finding a combo in that price range that doesn't need new speakers and tubes.

When you take into account the fact that you can get them used so cheap offsets the cost of modding them. Once they are modded with a new speaker, new tubes and maybe putting a tubescreamer in front of them, they sound epic. It isn't an ideal scenario (what is when anyone is on a strict budget?), but at least the amp has the potential to sound great, which is really the more important thing imo.


I know, I was just saying that if he wanted it to sound decent, it will cost more than $500 But yeah as value for money along with mods, its a good deal.
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I have a Dimarzio "The Breed" in an Ibanez RG 760 and it works great for heavy stuff. Very high output.

EMG's are simply not worth the money imo.

Edit- The pickup was installed on the bridge position.

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Good luck finding a combo in that price range that doesn't need new speakers and tubes.

When you take into account the fact that you can get them used so cheap offsets the cost of modding them. Once they are modded with a new speaker, new tubes and maybe putting a tubescreamer in front of them, they sound epic. It isn't an ideal scenario (what is when anyone is on a strict budget?), but at least the amp has the potential to sound great, which is really the more important thing imo.


I see what you're saying and agree. However, even with a somewhat decent amp, you can always tell when you have a weak, dull pickup(s).

Amp and pickup quality go hand-in-hand.
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:21 PM   #17
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Of course, I'm just going with the idea of spending money on the areas of your signal that will be affected the most in terms of tone if one puts money into it. Getting a new amp will certainly have a greater impact on your tone than new pickups will.
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Then its the EMG 81 bridge and 85 set or the EMG Het Set. Just make sure you have room for 9 volt battery in the control cavity of your guitar. Installation is also easy with the solderless kit.



Heh, for some reason I totally forgot that you wanted PASSIVE pickups. So scratch my EMG recommendation.

On passives people that have tried SD Black Winters have been very satisfied lately. To my knowledge is basically SD Distortion on Steroids.
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:00 PM   #19
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I like the Duncan Custom, Distortion and the JB. Especially for the price. I use them in all my passive geetars for hard rock.

I also have been floored by a BareKnuckle Pickup. Not what model it was but I remember the dude said it was their version of a JB. I kind of laughed to myself and scoffing at it's "boutiqueness" before trying it out. Lets just say it was an ear opening experience.
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Of course, I'm just going with the idea of spending money on the areas of your signal that will be affected the most in terms of tone if one puts money into it. Getting a new amp will certainly have a greater impact on your tone than new pickups will.


Yeah but the TC asked about pickups and not about amps so why try to steer the topic in a different direction. A good amp costs five or six times more than a pair of decent pickups so there is no relation.
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