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Old 02-14-2014, 12:14 PM   #1
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New guitar, help me

Im a faily new beginner, looking to get something for 1000-2000 EUR off thomann.de

my music tastes are slayer,megadeth,cannibal corpse, children of bodom, amon amarth, king diamond, lamb of god, pantera, motorhead

I have been looking at the dean VMNT, but people on here seem to say theyre low quality and youre basically paying for the shape. ive only played a V sitting down with a strap on which was comfortable, but without one was not comfy at all.

are there any shapes that require no strap for sitting down that are comfortable playing with?. between strat & lp what would be the most comfortable.

are ESP LTDs better than Dean VMNTs in the same price range? and are japan made guitars of higher quality compared to korean?

what im looking at now:

http://www.thomann.de/se/esp_horizon_nt_bk.htm

http://www.thomann.de/se/esp_e_ii_v...ard_w_pg_bk.htm


looking for a quality no gimmic guitar for metal off thomann.

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Old 02-14-2014, 01:21 PM   #2
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One of the things about brands is that it's all down to opinion. Personally, I'd sooner buy an ESP LTD than a cheap Dean. I think the entry-level Deans just feel really cheap and toy-like.

As for shapes, the Strat shape seems to be most well-balanced to me while seated, but your mileage may vary. I'd suggest a trip to a guitar shop and maybe try on a few shapes to see if you like them. I thought I'd really like the Explorer shape until I tried one, personally, so it's a good way to gauge guitars.
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Old 02-14-2014, 01:54 PM   #3
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Deans are notoriously crap, but if you're a beginner, you're just wasting money spending that much on a guitar you might not even play in the future, just look for a decent epiphone or a used ibanez or LTD. Hell, there's literally no difference between some of the $600 LTDs and their $2,000 ESPs. Schecter's not a bad choice, either, their Damien Elite series are absolutely the best metal guitar for the price, they can be find used for a GREAT deal.

Also, why are you set on that particular website?

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Old 02-14-2014, 01:58 PM   #4
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Dean are way overpriced and have shoddy craftsmanship. What about ESP Laiho? I think the had the sig series. Jackson RR would also be fine.
I'd probably recommend that you go down for something cheaper, maybe $500-$700 range, like someone already suggested.
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Old 02-14-2014, 02:14 PM   #5
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I own a pair of Deans myself.

While I agree that the entry-level ones should be avoided, Deans in the stated €1000-2000 range should be competitive with anything else in that price range.
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:32 PM   #6
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and are japan made guitars of higher quality compared to korean?


Normally, yes. At least when you're looking at the export models which get sent to the west.

Assuming you get on with them (as with any guitar), ESPs are pretty sweet guitars. Jackson USAs would be worth a look too (though might be over budget). Ibanez Prestiges are nice too (also japanese-made) if you're ok with a superstrat shape.

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Hell, there's literally no difference between some of the $600 LTDs and their $2,000 ESPs. Schecter's not a bad choice, either, their Damien Elite series are absolutely the best metal guitar for the price, they can be find used for a GREAT deal.


literally, huh?

also i'm never sure going used is sensible if you're very new. you won't know how to check the guitar out properly.
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Normally, yes. At least when you're looking at the export models which get sent to the west.

Assuming you get on with them (as with any guitar), ESPs are pretty sweet guitars. Jackson USAs would be worth a look too (though might be over budget). Ibanez Prestiges are nice too (also japanese-made) if you're ok with a superstrat shape.



literally, huh?

also i'm never sure going used is sensible if you're very new. you won't know how to check the guitar out properly.


I suppose the difference would be the magical tone forest the woods came out of, but same hardware and such, the ESPs might offer more paint options, though I'm not sure. LTD 1000s seem to have the most aesthetic options, unless you're going with the custom shop and pull a George Lynch

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Old 02-15-2014, 12:57 PM   #8
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Is the hardware the same? I could be wrong but I'm assuming the ESPs get schaller-made OFRs whereas the LTDs get the Korean-made FRT-x000s etc. Also the japanese manufacture costs more etc.

Don't get me wrong- there are obviously diminishing returns (like there are with any more expensive guitar)... but to claim they're "literally the same" is being intellectually dishonest, quite frankly.
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