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Old 03-10-2014, 07:08 PM   #1
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A complicated "what new amp" situation...

Since i'm tired of getting my Ampeg damaged by electric current issues, and despite my complaints the electrical company is unable to guarantee a trouble-free service in my area, i'm thinking of selling my Ampeg GVT and getting a new amp.

So, i guess it's back to solid state (or hybrid) technology for me. At least until i can afford a proper power conditioner/voltage regulator, which cost upward of 1000 -- way too much for me right now.

Modelling amps are not an option, i have my pedalboard the way i want it and just need an excellent clean channel to run it through.


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Budget? - i'm counting on making 400-500 selling the Ampeg, so around that.

Requirements? - combo amp. Upwards of 50 watts. One 12" speaker. It needs to take pedals extremely well. Preferably with an excellent clean channel to run my pedals through.

I know it's next to impossible, but perfection would be a Fender-like clean channel (to run my pedalboard through, and for home/personal use), and a modern high-gain drive channel (for use on my metalcore band).

New or Used? - i'm fine with either, but the used equipment selection in Portugal is a bit limited.

Home or Gig? - both, and it will be used for everything. Bedroom practice, band rehearsals in the studio, small gigs without being mic'd up, big gigs being mic'd through the PA...

Current Gear? - please check my signature.



Ideas so far:
  • Peavey 6505+ 112
    Cons: it's tube, but it has a reputation of being tough as hell, so i don't know if it could even handle these electrical issues. Lacks a usable clean channel, which is a huge downside for me. It's extremely heavy, at around 30kg.
    Pros: it's tube. It's cheap, at 469 brand-new. Has a solid reputation. It'd be excellent for use on my metalcore band.
  • Orange Crush Pro CR60C
    I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but it seems an interesting concept -- a high end solid state amp.
    I have no idea how good is the clean channel, but the fact that it misses a "Middle" knob in the EQ sort of annoys me.
  • Fender Champion 100
    I also haven't had a chance to try it out yet, but if it takes pedals as well as the previous FM 212/Frontman 212 models, it might be an option. As with the Orange Crush Pro, the missing "Middle" knob in the EQ sort of annoys me.
  • A bass amp
    This might be a crazy idea, but maybe it could work. I thought of it because of two factors: Fender Bassman were originally bass amps that ended up working great for guitar. And Josh Homme used bass amps when he played guitar on Kyuss (on the other hand, i don't play stoner nor sludge metal)...


Thank you for your help!
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:21 PM   #2
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Not very experienced in amps so I can't help much, but the peavey is a good amp for metalcore. If you're wanting fender-like cleans, I'd stay away. I like the cleans, but that's because I like sterile cleans that can be coloured with chorus and reverb. Because of its FX loop, it can take modulation pedals really well, but mine seems to cut the volume down when the FX loop is active.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:36 PM   #3
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SS amps will blow up with power surges too, man. But Roland JC60 is the go. They are one half of a JC120. ie one of the two power amps and a single 12" speaker. Watch Ebay and CL for a while until one pops up for a decent price.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:37 PM   #4
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Is it possible to find a used 5150 III 50 watter in your price range? I'm not sure what the used price range is in Portugal...
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:03 AM   #5
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SS amps will blow up with power surges too, man. But Roland JC60 is the go. They are one half of a JC120. ie one of the two power amps and a single 12" speaker. Watch Ebay and CL for a while until one pops up for a decent price.

I've had quite a few solid state amps at home over the years and never had a single problem with them. I still have my first amp, a Fender Frontman 15G, and it works and always worked perfectly.
The Ampeg GVT was my first tube amp, and only when it started breaking down i noticed the electric issues. I've had other tube amps at my home before, but they were borrowed so they only stayed for a couple of days at a time.

I've always loved the Roland Jazz Chorus, but i never could find a used one in my price range. They're pretty rare around these parts.

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Is it possible to find a used 5150 III 50 watter in your price range? I'm not sure what the used price range is in Portugal...

Nope.

For reference, right now there's a EVH 5150 III head for 1,250.00 on the used market.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:07 AM   #6
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The old Yamaha G100 212's are pretty good too. They made a lot of them in the 80's. Maybe you can find one of those? Similar sound to a JC, they were each other's main competition back in the day.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:22 AM   #7
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The old Yamaha G100 212's are pretty good too. They made a lot of them in the 80's. Maybe you can find one of those? Similar sound to a JC, they were each other's main competition back in the day.

Thanks for the suggestion, but i couldn't find any.

The used market here is really poor.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:41 AM   #8
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Here are some power conditioners for way less than 1000
this is 109 www.thomann.de/gb/samson_powerbrite_pb10.htm
this is a better one 167www.thomann.de/gb/samson_powerbrite_pb10_pro.htm


But it could be that amp, I have not heard good things about their reliability at all
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What blows?

I think we've had this conversation before?
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:10 AM   #10
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I think the old Peavey Stereo Chorus combos might be worth a look too, those things tend to be built like tanks.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:04 AM   #11
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I always like the Tech 21 Trademark 60 as a solid-state option.
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I think the old Peavey Stereo Chorus combos might be worth a look too, those things tend to be built like tanks.

I'd like one of those, but i can't find them anywhere...

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What blows?

I think we've had this conversation before?

Yes, we talked about this issue before.


The first time, it was one of the stock Ruby 6L6 power tubes that went (they were replaced by a matched pair of Groove Tubes).

The second time, a 220 uf / 65 volt condenser and a 1N 4007 rectifier diode were replaced.

The third time, it was a 220 uf/65 volt condenser, a 1N 4007 rectifier diode, a .47pf / 400 volt condenser, a 220 ohm 1/4 watt resistor and a 1.6 Kohm 1/4 watt resistor.

Now, i have a repair quote that says that it'll probably need those same parts to be replaced again (condensers, resistors, rectifier diode), a new set of 6L6 power tubes and 2 new transformers (both the input and output ones).
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That's some serious shit. Buy one of those line conditioners Rob showed you. That sort of surge can't be good for anything. I'm surprised you don't have TV's exploding and toasters coming to life and trying to take over the world.
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That's some serious shit. Buy one of those line conditioners Rob showed you. That sort of surge can't be good for anything. I'm surprised you don't have TV's exploding and toasters coming to life and trying to take over the world.

Apart from the Ampeg, i don't have any problems. (Well, the lamps flicker all the time and they seem to last less than they were supposed to.)

But everything else works fine, and we have lots of equipment: pool motor, motorized gates, TVs, laptops, a high-end hi-fi, a couple of solid state amps (bass and guitar) and pedals, multi-fx units, etc., dishwasher, clothes washing machine and drier, microwave, oven, toasters, and so on...
I simply assumed the Ampeg was especially sensitive, since it's a tube amp.
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Mesa- Exactly what you are looking for and built like a tank.

Buy a small Honda genset to power your rig with clean sine wave power that you control.
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Mesa- Exactly what you are looking for and built like a tank.

For 400-500? Somehow i doubt it.
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Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.
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Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.

Now you're leading me to think what i didn't even want to consider: that maybe my Ampeg has some hidden fault, or a design error or something like that.

Because i've been living on that house for over 15 years, and i only even noticed the voltage oscillations after i got the Ampeg.
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Power wasn't particularly clean back when tubes ruled the roost and shit didn't blow up all the time. What you're describing sounds pretty unsafe to me.


+1
Sounds like an amp problem, not a power problem.
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For 400-500? Somehow i doubt it.


Hmmm, I bought my Mesa used in "like new condition" for $650 (450E) a while back but you guys do things differently in the EU.
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