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Old 04-17-2014, 09:59 AM   #1
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Need a guitar with a floating tremolo, but no locking nut

Hi guys,

I'm on my hunt for one guitar to do everything, and one of my requirements is a fully floating tremolo (with routing behind to get decent raising of pitch) but without a locking nut. Before you think I'm being a moron, I'm going to be using a tremol-no, so the guitar will be in hardtail mode most of the time.

Guitars I have found like this so far are music man JP models with that floating bridge and Guthrie Govan's signature suhr guitar.

If you have any suggestions, I'd be very greatful!
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:33 AM   #2
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I was coming here to recommend the JP. I have no experience with the Govan though. I'm sure the Govan is great, but I personally have GAS for a JP.
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:37 AM   #3
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Why not buy one with a locking nut and remove the locking screws?
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:58 AM   #4
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Why not buy one with a locking nut and remove the locking screws?


I did think about this, but I came to the conclusion that they wouldn't work because they aren't designed to be used like that. Of course I may be wrong, but I'd prefer not to be on a big investment such as this.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:09 AM   #5
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You have a point there, but if you find a guitar that suits your need, yet having a locking nut, you can also find a luthier to install a different nut instead.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:12 AM   #6
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JP60 is a solid budget guitar. I bought one just today actually
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:18 PM   #7
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I got the JP 50, it is a pretty nice budget guitar
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:29 PM   #8
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Look into getting a standard strat trem system. Yes, it looks like a vintage trem system that doesn't do much, but they can actually be set up to float and to do those 'cricket' noises that a lot of people seem to believe only a floyd rose is capable of.

You can either buy the system separate or just pick up a Standard MiM Fender Strat (not squier). They're like $430 for a 'blemished' one or $500 retail. Not bad at all.

Anyway, another option is to just take off the locking screws. I mean, yes, that's not how 'it was intended to be used', but I've seen people do it. I really don't think aside from some possible tuning issues dependent upon the quality of the guitar and how it's set up, there would be a problem.

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Old 04-17-2014, 12:35 PM   #9
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I believe Jeff Beck strats are set to float from the factory.
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:02 PM   #10
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I luthier friend of mine builds custom super strats with strat type trems. He recesses the area behind the trem so even when it's flat it's "floating". You can also float a strat trem without a recess with a good setup.

Wouldn't recommend just taking the locks off a Floyd nut, it wears the strings like crazy.
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I luthier friend of mine builds custom super strats with strat type trems. He recesses the area behind the trem so even when it's flat it's "floating". You can also float a strat trem without a recess with a good setup.

Wouldn't recommend just taking the locks off a Floyd nut, it wears the strings like crazy.


While I realise you can float a strat trem, on an unrouted body, is there enough pull back room for satriani style screams?
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:34 PM   #12
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Carvins with Wilkinsons will do that. No locking nut.
There are ALSO some folks who order their guitars with Floyds, but without locking nuts. The reason this can work is that this guitar has locking tuners, a pretty straight line pull, no major tilt-back and a pretty well-done nut. For example...

http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/109696


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Old 04-17-2014, 01:58 PM   #13
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Guitars I have found like this so far are music man JP models with that floating bridge and Guthrie Govan's signature suhr guitar.


Same goes for Guthrie's new Charvel.

http://www.charvel.com/guitars//sea...rtno=2869302000
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Carvins with Wilkinsons will do that. No locking nut.
There are ALSO some folks who order their guitars with Floyds, but without locking nuts. The reason this can work is that this guitar has locking tuners, a pretty straight line pull, no major tilt-back and a pretty well-done nut. For example...

http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/109696



Good shout! Do you have to order that custom?
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:56 PM   #15
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You should try something like that out before buying to see if it's right for you. You won't get much range on a guitar without a locking nut. Double locking trems get their range by shortening the usable string length of the string so it does't have as much material to disperse the energy across when you move the bridge. Subtle changes in the bridge are more dramatic because the usable string length is shorter. You might not get the range you're looking for.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:18 PM   #16
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You should try something like that out before buying to see if it's right for you. You won't get much range on a guitar without a locking nut. Double locking trems get their range by shortening the usable string length of the string so it does't have as much material to disperse the energy across when you move the bridge. Subtle changes in the bridge are more dramatic because the usable string length is shorter. You might not get the range you're looking for.


By range, do you mean how much you can sharpen or flatten a note with the tremolo? It'll be very tricky to find somewhere that has a guitar like this to try. Music Man Petrucci signatures have the range I need though.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:16 PM   #17
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While I realise you can float a strat trem, on an unrouted body, is there enough pull back room for satriani style screams?


probably not

there are things you can do to compensate, like starting the scream when you've already slightly dived the bar, or bending as well as pulling up, but if you're not ok with doing those, then yeah something recessed is going to have more up-pull.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:33 AM   #18
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Floyd+Locking Tuners+Roller Nut = Set
Just get a regular double locking guitar and get the nut switched for a roller nut and put on some locking tuners.
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JP60 is a solid budget guitar. I bought one just today actually


nice recomended vayne92..[IMG]http://*****************.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/11/33/buy.gif[/IMG]..jp60 it nice and I like...best price..
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Good shout! Do you have to order that custom?


That particular one is in stock. Otherwise, yes, you have to order it custom.
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