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Old 06-29-2014, 07:34 PM   #1
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Any electronic musicians...

Wanna help with a quick mash-up mix?

I don't have Ableton to do it and it'd be a billion times easier on there. Basically, I just need the two songs to transition back and forth smoothly, without sounding weird (one song is 148bpm the other is 113bpm).

Need this done by tomorrow...
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:57 PM   #2
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If you gotta keep the tempos of the two songs as they are, you'd be better of with a dj software, while if you gotta do a tempo transition you could your favorite DAW.

I mean, I wouldn't see the advantage of using live.

Well I got some free time tomorrow morning, which here will be in about 7 hours, so if that's not too late and you want to explain exactly what you want the thing to sound like you can try and send the stuff you need to me.
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If you gotta keep the tempos of the two songs as they are, you'd be better of with a dj software, while if you gotta do a tempo transition you could your favorite DAW.

I mean, I wouldn't see the advantage of using live.

Well I got some free time tomorrow morning, which here will be in about 7 hours, so if that's not too late and you want to explain exactly what you want the thing to sound like you can try and send the stuff you need to me.

It's for my girlfriend's little sister's cheerleading dance. When I agreed to do it, I assumed they just wanted some simple fade-ins and the songs would be similar in tempo, but I have no experience DJing stuff like this and have to work 10 hours tomorrow, so I don't have time to learn a new software

The tempo of the first track needs to remain the same, as it's already been choreographed to on the first 34ish seconds, they have a transition point in mind for the next part (the tempo can change there), but after that they don't really care with what happens, as long as it's not too crazy, and still remains easy enough to dance to. The only real stipulation is it has to be around 3:20 long (the length of time they get for the dance) and it ends on the first song.

I have the files uploaded here, with a brief read-me:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u...heerMash-up.zip

Anyone who can help, I'd love you forever
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Old 06-30-2014, 09:23 AM   #4
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I realized that with "it ends on the first song" you may have meant it had to end on the first song's end after having put away all of the ambaradan I use to do this kinda stuff, so if that's what you meant I'm sorry, 'cause I made it end on the first song but not its end.

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I realized that with "it ends on the first song" you may have meant it had to end on the first song's end after having put away all of the ambaradan I use to do this kinda stuff, so if that's what you meant I'm sorry, 'cause I made it end on the first song but not its end.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/0u3...30_14h51m12.wav

Hmmm, says Permission Denied? Maybe MediaFire won't let me download because it recognizes the song as copywrited?

Oh no - just ending on the first song itself is fine. I don't think they care if it actually ends at the end of the song. In fact, I really don't think they know what they want in the first place

Super appreciate you taking the time to give this a shot. I know that time-frame was just ridiculous. I thought we were going to have at least a week, then she tells me they need it by today and I was like WTF
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Old 06-30-2014, 12:25 PM   #6
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In fact, I really don't think they know what they want in the first place

I've done a bunch of cuts and fades for dance recital stuff for friends in college. This statement here can not possibly be more correct.
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Right??

I guess they have a new coach that doesn't seem to be nearly as prepared as the old one. The previous coach's husband was a DJ and she always came prepared with the songs and choreography already done (and had a clear understanding of what songs would fit well together) and just needed to tweak from there. The new coach seems to be inexperienced and relies on the help of the parents far too much. I'm not even sure what they were planning to do if I, or someone else, weren't able to help out...

I was expecting to show up and they would have specific spots marked on the songs where they wanted to transition into each other. Nope. In fact, they didn't even have the songs
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Right??

I guess they have a new coach that doesn't seem to be nearly as prepared as the old one. The previous coach's husband was a DJ and she always came prepared with the songs and choreography already done (and had a clear understanding of what songs would fit well together) and just needed to tweak from there. The new coach seems to be inexperienced and relies on the help of the parents far too much. I'm not even sure what they were planning to do if I, or someone else, weren't able to help out...

I was expecting to show up and they would have specific spots marked on the songs where they wanted to transition into each other. Nope. In fact, they didn't even have the songs


The best way to do it is to sit the choreographer in front of your laptop (assuming you're mobile) and do a rough cut right in front of them, so that you're both on the same page and they know what they're getting. Not always an option, but the best one when you can get it.
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The best way to do it is to sit the choreographer in front of your laptop (assuming you're mobile) and do a rough cut right in front of them, so that you're both on the same page and they know what they're getting. Not always an option, but the best one when you can get it.

Yeah, the problem is that they apparently have like 6 people doing the choreography (including several of the students) and none of them even have any kind of idea what they want to do with it. I think they just want the song pre-made so they can write the dance to it, instead of working out parts that flow nicely and arranging the song more to the dance

I thought they wanted more of a fade-in/fade-out sort of thing, so really simple cutting and pasting with some crossfades and gaps in between to run to new positions or something, but they really want a seamless DJ mix, which I have no idea how to do, as I have no interest in being a DJ I also assumed they'd choose songs that actually fit well together, not two songs in completely different tempos and keys!
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I assumed they just wanted some simple fade-ins and the songs would be similar in tempo, but I have no experience DJing stuff like this and have to work 10 hours tomorrow, so I don't have time to learn a new software
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but they really want a seamless DJ mix, which I have no idea how to do, as I have no interest in being a DJ I also assumed they'd choose songs that actually fit well together, not two songs in completely different tempos and keys!
Is there anything out there that makes you think DJs don't choose songs in different tempos and keys?

I'm a strange guy, I only use dnb songs between 130 and 140 bpm for DJing, but I'm a strange guy.

And don't be that close minded, it's quite fun to DJ if you find music you like.
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Here you are anyway, this should do - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0...dit?usp=sharing
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You're a bad person
Is there anything out there that makes you think DJs don't choose songs in different tempos and keys?

I'm a strange guy, I only use dnb songs between 130 and 140 bpm for DJing, but I'm a strange guy.

And don't be that close minded, it's quite fun to DJ if you find music you like.
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Here you are anyway, this should do - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0...dit?usp=sharing

Haha, this is awesome! Thanks, man! Love all the stuff you added.

TBH, I WOULD like to learn more about electronic type music, but I have no idea where to even start
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Haha, this is awesome! Thanks, man! Love all the stuff you added.


Did I make it on time at least?

Though please call me Luca, I'm trying to make it evident that I'd prefer that but nobody noticed when I had a line in my sig and nobody cares now that I have a line under my username
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Well for electronic music you start listening to electronic music, then you open a DAW and you put some notes here and there.
I did that at least and imo it worked just fine.
I also have a friend who did just that and that worked just fine too, so...
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Did I make it on time at least?


You did! I sent it to my girlfriend's mom to forward to the coach, but didn't really hear anything back. Figured I'd get a "Thanks" at least, but nope, just an "Ok" after I sent the links

Hopefully they end up using it, it'd piss me off if I found out that I asked for you help and then they just decided to do something totally different

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Will do - I never seem to read these things

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Well for electronic music you start listening to electronic music, then you open a DAW and you put some notes here and there.
I did that at least and imo it worked just fine.
I also have a friend who did just that and that worked just fine too, so...



If I had any idea to even remotely use the synth plugins and stuff that i own, this might work. I just open those things up and I'm like "WTF ARE ALL THESE KNOBS!?" I just want the wubba wubba, dammit!
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Though please call me Luca, I'm trying to make it evident that I'd prefer that but nobody noticed when I had a line in my sig and nobody cares now that I have a line under my username

Tried that for a few years, gave up eventually. Good luck!

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Also, Matrix - look up basic ADSR and subtractive synthesis. Really simple stuff, once you get your head around that then you can operate any analog synth (or modeled analog). The TAL UNO62 or whatever the name of the free version is nowadays will be a great free plugin to learn subtractive synthesis on.
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Tried that for a few years, gave up eventually. Good luck!

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Thanks

As for the synths, I started learning how they worked by watching a tutorial about ES2 on youtube.
Then I looked at instruction manuals and geez, were they informative!
So yeah, a couple free synths like the tal noisemaker and instruction manuals do wonders.
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I learned from Computer Music magazine. It came with a disc that had TAL UNO62 and Noisemaker, which are both fantastic. Here's an incredibly similar article from them:
http://mos.futurenet.com/pdf/comput...Subtractive.pdf

Here's where it came from, with WAY more:
http://www.musicradar.com/us/comput...ner-pdfs-246054

Knowing this stuff will help you out way beyond EDM, and you'll be able to sit in front of the Moog at Guitar Center (or equivalent) and make fun noises without looking like an ass.
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I shall look these things up!

I own plenty of great synth plugs (Komplete 9, Cakewalk Rapture & Dimension Pro, IK Total Studio), plus I have a microKORG, I just haven't had time to figure out how to use any of them properly
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Scott, Luca and Derek. Right, I will endeavour to remember that

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Also, I'm waiting on the conclusion to this tale - let us know if they ever used it?
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Also, I'm waiting on the conclusion to this tale - let us know if they ever used it?

I'd say we should put it in a sticky, but we all know how many people actually read those
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