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Old 07-28-2014, 07:11 PM   #1
PenguinPalace
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Question Pitch problems (requesting vocal diagnosis)

Hey everyone! I saw a few other people on these forums making threads asking for evaluations on their voices, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to do something similar, since I have always had a lot of trouble with my voice. (please see the links below for an example)

https://soundcloud.com/penguinpalace/valentine-vocal-cover-originally-by-the-get-up-kids
https://soundcloud.com/penguinpalace/short-vocal-melody-pitch

I think I know what the problem is - I can't hold a steady note for beans. I think this is a problem relating to breath support and generating a steady stream of air, because it becomes especially pronounced when I try to hold more quiet notes during which you can hear the breath more, and there seems to be a variation with the flow of air.

I know that there is no substitute for personal vocal lessons with a real human being, but just in case the solution is something really obvious that my last two teachers just happened to miss (I've taken on-and-off vocal lessons over the past year), what kinds of exercises should I do to fix the problem that I have with holding a steady pitch? Would lip trills and other exercises on musical scales help? That's mostly what I did with my last teacher. I have been reading a lot online about incorrect palatal technique being the source of "pitchiness" when singing. Is that what my problem is? Or should I be focusing on some sort of breathing work?

Or, more simply, do I just need to sing more songs and material? My teacher told me that I was over-thinking the entire thing and taking the fun out of it. I just was always under the impression that singing with my current flaws would only help me become better at whatever I was doing wrong, but maybe I was wrong all along. What do you think? The only reason why I am frustrated is because I feel totally lost - I would like nothing better to improve, but I feel like I have no idea what kind of a routine I would have to employ in order to start taking steps in the right direction.

I have included some pictures below that I think add detail to the problems I mentioned relating to pitch - in Cubase, one can analyze the pitch of an audio file through time, which is what is indicated by the black line over the colored rectangles - each rectangle represents a single note, but the black line can be used to further inspect the pitch variation at any given time, with higher positions being higher pitches, and vice versa. I have done this with both my voice (the first image) and the vocals of one of my favorite tracks, featuring an experienced singer. The black line that results from my voice is without pattern, going up and down without any order (which is what I think causes the unpleasantness), while the line of the other singer takes on the characteristic of a sine wave, which I also assume is what causes the very pleasant vibrato of his voice. I forgot which song of mine I analyzed for the second track, as I took the photos in Cubase a while ago, but I don't think that diminishes the value of the comparison.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...id=112757&stc=1
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...id=112758&stc=1


Thank you for your time reading/listening to what I have posted - any help will be greatly appreciated! Thank you again so much!
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:02 AM   #2
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Ear-training will help you to hear when you're singing off pitch, making it easier to correct.
As for the execution, singing along with scales or singing the notes in a chord on the piano are simple and useful exercises. Just like most things it's about doing it so many times, that your body will develop muscle memory - assuming you can actually hear when you're pitching correctly.
As for the images you posted, are those from your favourite singer an actual recording? If yes then they will most be using a pitch-correction software like auto-tune or melodyne - hence the reason why he is pitch-perfect
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:01 PM   #3
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Continue what you were doing with your last teacher. Scales are important. Lip trills are a great exercise.

Can you take a sight singing class? If not, try to get a textbook, preferably one with CDs. Sight singing is all about pitch. Also, watch The Sound of Music, specifically the "Do, a deer" part. Corny, but it's all about solfege.

Why have you had two teachers in the past year?
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