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Old 07-30-2014, 01:51 PM   #1
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Tried my aspiring guitar today, wasn't impressed.

I really want to get rid of my Ibanez, since even though it is a reliable and overall nice guitar it doesn't fit my style anymore, with the wizard neck and the locking trem. I do really like fenders, both strats and teles, so I figured that the Fender Blacktop would be a fitting instrument for a good price.

So, I ran into one by accident today at the music store (I wanted to try out a few gibsons), and naturally tried it. It had the comfy strat neck and a cool look, but with one problem: gloss neck. My hands stuck to it like glue, and the summer heat doesn't help.

Now I need a new guitar to save for. I really didn't like the blacktop neck, so that isn't my goal anymore, gloss necks are the bane of my existence. Here's the usual:

Necessary specs: Humbuckers, no locking trem, 6 strings, solid body and apparently no gloss neck.
Preferred specs: 25,5 inch scale, fixed bridge, lightweight.
Genres: Based on metal and rock, but versatile with much room for experimentation.
Budget: Somewhere around 600-800 euros would be ideal.
Location: Finland, I'm okay with online shopping and shipping.
Both used and new are fine

I like fender necks most, and I also tried an SG today and it had a nice neck too. I play through a Peavey 6505+112.

Thanks for your opinions
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:05 PM   #2
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A lot of these sound perfect for you.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:13 PM   #3
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Oh yes, the lovely Reverends The Bayonet and the Warhawk RT are so beautiful. I'm not sure how it works if I order from the states, but if I find one used here in europe I might seriously consider it. Thanks for reminding me that these exist
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:21 PM   #4
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I had a gloss neck on a Jag I once had, and with a bit of wet sanding I got it nice and satin-ey...
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I had a gloss neck on a Jag I once had, and with a bit of wet sanding I got it nice and satin-ey...


But I really don't want to sand the neck of my next guitar, if I'm going to spend a lot of my money on a single, reliable guitar I'd rather not start messing with it right away. I appreciate the idea, but it's not what I'm looking for right new.
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:08 PM   #6
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Guitar tech here: all necks, glossed or not, get sticky. some 1000 grit, working your way up to 2000/2.5K grit is gonna get a satin'y look, but smooth as melted butter. I treat all of my necks this way, and when a customer requests the service, it's like I handed them a new instrument.

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Old 07-30-2014, 03:13 PM   #7
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But I really don't want to sand the neck of my next guitar, if I'm going to spend a lot of my money on a single, reliable guitar I'd rather not start messing with it right away. I appreciate the idea, but it's not what I'm looking for right new.

Why not? Satinizing a neck is such an incredibly easy thing to do and it takes no time at all. If the Blacktop ticks all the other boxes, then I think ruling it out just because the neck is finished in gloss would be a mistake. It's just too easy to fix, to not be.

It would be like ruling a guitar out just because the string nut action is a bit high, when that's something that can be easily fixed.

It's not really going to devalue the guitar either because the satin finish will eventually wear off with play and effectively the neck will eventually become glossy again. Just as it does with any guitar that has a satin finish which gets played a lot.
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:13 PM   #8
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Oh yes, the lovely Reverends The Bayonet and the Warhawk RT are so beautiful. I'm not sure how it works if I order from the states, but if I find one used here in europe I might seriously consider it. Thanks for reminding me that these exist

JustRooster is stealing my thunder!

To follow up, there are some European retailers who sell Revs, including at least 1 in Finland.

http://www.reverendguitars.com/dealers-2/

You might also check eBay (I know, I know) and Reverb for used models. I find a lot of decent to good deals on them on both sites, and some of the sellers will ship internationally.

Bonus tip: there's a few older Reverends that were made in the USA* on those sites right now, typically going for @$900-1800. Those are some sweet, fine axes if you find one in your budget.



* as opposed to the current production, which, while excellent, are all made in S. Korea (if that matters to you).
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:25 PM   #9
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Guitar tech here: all necks, glossed or not, get sticky. some 1000 grit, working your way up to 2000/2.5K grit is gonna get a satin'y look, but smooth as melted butter. I treat all of my necks this way, and when a customer requests the service, it's like I handed them a new instrument.

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Why not? Satinizing a neck is such an incredibly easy thing to do and it takes no time at all. If the Blacktop ticks all the other boxes, then I think ruling it out just because the neck is finished in gloss would be a mistake. It's just too easy to fix, to not be.

It would be like ruling a guitar out just because the string nut action is a bit high, when that's something that can be easily fixed.


Thanks for the tips, I might consider it then. But trust me, I'd rather not do anything related to carpentry, and I don't want to pay extra for a tech. But well, I will think about it.

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To follow up, there are some European retailers who sell Revs, including at least 1 in Finland.

http://www.reverendguitars.com/dealers-2/

You might also check eBay (I know, I know) and Reverb for used models. I find a lot of decent to good deals on them on both sites, and some of the sellers will ship internationally.

Bonus tip: there's a few older Reverends that were made in the USA* on those sites right now, typically going for @$900-1800. Those are some sweet, fine axes if you find one in your budget.



* as opposed to the current production, which, while excellent, are all made in S. Korea (if that matters to you).


I didn't know that, thanks And nothing against ebay, they have some great deals there, and so does reverb. Thanks for the heads up too
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:31 PM   #10
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Thanks for the tips, I might consider it then. But trust me, I'd rather not do anything related to carpentry, and I don't want to pay extra for a tech. But well, I will think about it.

Just take a piece of 800 grit sandpaper, put a couple of pieces of tape around the area of the neck you want to be satin, and rub the whole area evenly until you get the feel you desire. It's that simple. You really cannot mess it up.

You could use progressively finer grits if you wanted. But for me, a single sheet of 800 is fine.
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Old 07-30-2014, 03:37 PM   #11
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Okay, I will definitely consider it, but I really don't feel comfortable with it. I can mess up a whole lot of unmessuppable things when it comes to woodworks. But I really appreciate the tips on how to do it, I know that I have to learn stuff like that in some point of my life, but I'd rather do it with a backup first, not my only instrument.
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:06 PM   #12
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Don't be too worried about screwing anything up. You aren't going to take off too much wood with anything above 800 grit paper. You shouldn't even get all the way through the gloss coat on the neck. A couple passes with barely any pressure will satin up the neck in no time.
I don't know if you can watch this video in Finland, but this is basically what we are talking about.


I personally wouldn't use the abrasive pads, though.
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:12 PM   #13
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I can, thanks you all do a good job of convincing someone though if you're sure that I cannot grind the back of the neck off, maybe I'll just stay with my plans and satin the neck up. But I have to say the the reverends caught my attention too... well, I believe that there is no such thing as too much good options
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Old 07-30-2014, 05:34 PM   #14
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Just got rid of my Blacktop Strat. Moved up to a Les Paul Studio Deluxe II 60 neck.
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Old 07-30-2014, 05:38 PM   #15
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Just got rid of my Blacktop Strat. Moved up to a Les Paul Studio Deluxe II 60 neck.
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Well, we're not the same person funny though, I tried an LP studio on the same trip to the store, and I loved it. But I'm still not sure how I feel about the neck, it might not work for me.
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Hagstrom guitars- pretty good rep- might also have some good options, though they're a bit more conventional in appearance than my beloved Reverends.
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Hagstrom guitars- pretty good rep- might also have some good options, though they're a bit more conventional in appearance than my beloved Reverends.


Yeah, they did catch my attention by making LP's with a 25,5'' neck. I'm not sure if I can try one myself which is always a downside, but they're not rare or anything so a store might well have them in stock somewhere.
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Try out some Schecters. They've got great guitars in that price range. Just go to a store that carries them and play some. You'll probably be impressed.
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Yeah, they did catch my attention by making LP's with a 25,5'' neck. I'm not sure if I can try one myself which is always a downside, but they're not rare or anything so a store might well have them in stock somewhere.

I've checked out a couple of used Hagstroms, and was impressed with the feel of them. Didn't have a chance to plug in, though. I know the Zappas are BIG fans of them, though.
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I've heard that Schecters have a really fat neck, so I'm a bit skeptical, but if I can find one I'll try it.

I checked the Hagström dealers, and the closest one is a two hour drive away. If I have some other business there, I'll check them out at the same time.
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