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Old 08-31-2014, 12:36 PM   #1
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thoughts on cables.

how much does quality matter. for example ive used the regular livewires for a long time. was thinking about trying the planet waves american series. maybe something a bit better. seems like the livewires cables are soo noisey. ive always had squealing problems and never stopped to think maybe its the cables. eager see the opinions on cables.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:42 PM   #2
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if you want really good quality cables for cheap www.redco.com

You can get Mogami or Canare wire with Neutrik jacks for <$30 for a 20 ft cable. They custom make them for you so you can get any lenght you want made.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:48 PM   #3
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if you want really good quality cables for cheap www.redco.com

You can get Mogami or Canare wire with Neutrik jacks for <$30 for a 20 ft cable. They custom make them for you so you can get any lenght you want made.


would there be alot better than the livewires?
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:53 PM   #4
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would there be alot better than the livewires?


They are all quality
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Old 08-31-2014, 03:49 PM   #5
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Buy a bunch of unbranded switchraft 228's (that's my jack of choice anyway), get whatever nice quality shielded cable, and make your own cables.

That's gonna be cheaper and more convenient.
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Old 08-31-2014, 03:55 PM   #6
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^ well it won't be more convenient if you hate soldering EDIT: but i agree that decent quality cable and good jacks are what you need. even if you pay someone to make them up for you. no need to go to the crazy audiophile prices.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:09 PM   #7
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my amp is just hella loud with noise. hum, squealing and stuff like that. it even hums when ther eis no guitar plugged in, i tested it. i was just wondering if better cables would help with that. i have changed the two preamp tubes already. to tung sol ecc82 and jj ecc83. i was looking at the planet waves american series. nothing too crazy. and then i saw joyo had a noise gate. just want to try and solve this problem.
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Old 08-31-2014, 04:36 PM   #8
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No offense, but your amp isn't a hell of an high quality amp and that isn't helping.

Also the stock speaker is pretty dark, so you have to turn the gain up more to get a convincing high gain metal tone, and that isn't helping with the noise either.
Or the highs, and the effect would still be raising the noise.

Also your guitars have fairly average quality p/ups and likely also electronics, and they may not be shielded.

Also the power line in your house might be subject to some fluctuations and stuff, and that wouldn't be helping either.

It's good to have good cables, but in your situations they really aren't the first things I'd look at.
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If it's humming and squealing with no cable plugged in then the cables aren't the problem.

I had a tungsol 12ax7 (ecc83) which I think was microphonic out of the box.
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:23 PM   #10
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If it's humming and squealing with no cable plugged in then the cables aren't the problem.

I had a tungsol 12ax7 (ecc83) which I think was microphonic out of the box.


i meant with the cable not plugged into the guitar. so chances are the tung sol and rubys were all microphonic? its still loud when it snot plugged into the guitar i havent tried. with not plugged in at all.
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:30 PM   #11
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Turn the amp on with no cables plugged in, if your getting the noise then try another tube
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:11 PM   #12
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the noise stops when i remove the cable form the amp. i use the regular live wires. was looking at the planet waves american series. would that solve the problem? dont want to spend a fortune and i dont know how to solder.
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:15 PM   #13
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Did you buy your cable from Guitar Center? If so you can walk in and give it to them and they'll give you a brand new in the box one.

Building your own cables is a lot cheaper, but the lifetime warranty offered by Live Wire and Mogami and (I think) Monster are worth the extra initial cost to buy from GC, IMO.


EDIT: It probably doesn't matter where you bought it actually. You don't need a receipt or anything.
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oh ok so when you have a cable plugged into the amp there's noise but there's not when you take the cable away?

plug the cable into the guitar and then into the amp (sometimes you can get noise if you have nothing plugged into the other end of the cable) and then compare that to the noise level when you have the amp turned on but nothing plugged into it. if you get noise when nothing is plugged in it's (probably) a tube problem (might be just one, not necessarily all the tubes). if you only get noise when the guitar is plugged in it's either a guitar or cable problem.
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Old 08-31-2014, 06:37 PM   #15
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oh ok so when you have a cable plugged into the amp there's noise but there's not when you take the cable away?

plug the cable into the guitar and then into the amp (sometimes you can get noise if you have nothing plugged into the other end of the cable) and then compare that to the noise level when you have the amp turned on but nothing plugged into it. if you get noise when nothing is plugged in it's (probably) a tube problem (might be just one, not necessarily all the tubes). if you only get noise when the guitar is plugged in it's either a guitar or cable problem.


correct, when there is a cable plugged in from the bad monkey or without. both alot of noise. when there isnt a cable plugged in there is no noise at all.

i tried plugging it in the guitar and then into the amp. no change. so yeah no noise with nothing plugged in, alot of noise with both guitars while plugged in.
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ah ok.

have you tried a different guitar?

have you tried a different cable?

sorry for all the questions but when you do all this stuff you can totally narrow down where the problem is.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:15 PM   #17
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Spambot and Robbgnarly have it right on the money...no need to pay for gold coatings, etc...nice quality shielded cable and Mogami or Neutrik connectors are the best imo.

I do have some Fatsoflex cables that are extremely well made and lifetime guaranteed, they're a good investment if you think of being serious. When they break (which they don't often at all) you can always send back and get replacement.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:27 PM   #18
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yeah i tried a really really cheap crappy cable i had and it did the same thing. and yes it does it with both of my guitars. the vbt is a bit more intense.
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The issue is probably that when you don't plug a cable in, the input of the amp is shorted to ground, shunting all noise. Then when you put a cable in, that connection is broken and the noise is present at the input op amp. The issue is most likely your amp.
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nice quality shielded cable and Mogami or Neutrik connectors are the best imo.
Just to make it clear, mogami makes cables and neutrik makes connectors.

As for the reliability, with the money of a good cable with lifetime warranty on it you can make yourself two cables of the same length and quality if you buy enough cable at a time.
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