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Old 08-31-2014, 10:57 PM   #1
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Tone Help

Hi all, I had a question about tone and pedals. I've searched the search bar function multiple times with different key words but haven't found my answer yet. Right now I'm on the market for a distortion pedal mainly.
Tone I am looking for - August Burns Red (Mainly the tone from Messengers or Constellations)
Set-up - A Schecter Hellraiser and a Line 6 Spider III
Budget - Money for me is pretty tight, hence my amp, but I'm not in any rush to get this. Pedal wise, I'd like to stay around $100 (if at all possible)

I've seen multiple people ask these questions and get told to get higher end amps, but amps tend to be a lot pricier than a pedal. If you know of a good amp for around $200 (used is fine), I am up for that advice too. I have a Guitar Center about an hour away from me that I can visit semi-regularly to try out any of the pedals Thanks in advance,

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Old 09-01-2014, 12:00 AM   #2
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Why don't you just set it on "Metal" and adjust drive? I doubt any pedal will improve your tone.
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:16 AM   #3
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Pedals into a Spider are just awful. Forgetaboutit.

If you want better guitar tone and you can't find it in your current amp, trade up your amp or use amp sims available to your smartphone or laptop.

Vox Valvetronix, Peavey Vypyr, Roland Cube, and Pod are all low cost solutions that are infinitely better than a Spider IMO.
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Old 09-01-2014, 04:09 AM   #4
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New amp!

Vypyr tube 60 or a 6505+

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Old 09-01-2014, 05:28 AM   #5
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Your amp is the final stage in your chain. A pedal won't just magically make your amp good - that's why people say get a new amp. Even if you have a boutique $300 distortion pedal, it still won't sound great coming out of your subpar speaker and amp.

Secondly, you actually do need to spend a lot of money on a pedal to do those tones. Getting good modern metal tones out of a pedal is almost an exercise in futility. Very very few can get anything usable - to the point that you're simply a lot better off getting a good amp. Because there are amps out there that are very cheap that sound fantastic, such as the Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 or the Peavey 6505+ 112 (which can easily be had used for $250 & $350, respectively).
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Old 09-01-2014, 06:36 AM   #6
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Spending money on a distortion pedal to throw in front of a Line 6 Spider is a waste of money. Not only because the amp is pretty awful, but also because it doesn't take pedals well.
As it has already been pointed out, you're better off using the on-board "Metal" mode of the Spider. Using a distortion pedal won't improve your tone considerably.


Save those $200, wait to save some more, and keep an eye out for an used Peavey 6505+ 112 combo in your area. It's a great amp for the August Burns Red tone you're looking for.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:45 AM   #7
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@Taz9 - I have been using the metal function, and I've played around a lot with the drive and everything but it just doesn't pack enough punch.

@Linkerman and Offworld92 - I've been looking at the 6505+, but it's nearly as expensive as my guitar! But it's also what ABR uses, so I assume if I save for it, I'll get a good tone that'll be semi-close to theirs. Thanks for the advice.

Edit: It just crossed my mind that I run audio through a Harbinger HA120Watt PA System that I have. I know getting a new amp is better, and I plan to save for one, but would a pedal through the HA120 sound fine if I decided to sell my amps to help save for the 6505+?
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:00 AM   #8
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If you look used a Guitar centers used site, you can get the 6505+ 1x12 for $350 or less. Here is one for $350
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-...964-i3911446.gc
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I've been looking at the 6505+, but it's nearly as expensive as my guitar!

On that topic, let me point out that:
  • a nice guitar through a bad amp will sound bad;
  • a nice guitar through a great amp will sound great.


I'd rather spend much money on an expensive but awesome amp and have a mid-level guitar, than to have a fantastic top-of-the-line guitar and a mediocre amp.

The amp is easily around 80% of your tone.


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If you look used a Guitar centers used site, you can get the 6505+ 1x12 for $350 or less. Here is one for $350
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-...964-i3911446.gc

If you buy used from a big store, it's cheaper than buying brand-new and you can get warranty as well.


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Edit: It just crossed my mind that I run audio through a Harbinger HA120Watt PA System that I have. I know getting a new amp is better, and I plan to save for one, but would a pedal through the HA120 sound fine if I decided to sell my amps to help save for the 6505+?

No.
Just keep practicing with your Spider while you save up for the 6505+.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:20 AM   #10
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but would a pedal through the HA120 sound fine?


It probably wouldn't as most likely you have full range speaker for it therefore you would not get a great tone out of it.

honestly the peavey that Robbgnarly suggested is your best bet.
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Edit: It just crossed my mind that I run audio through a Harbinger HA120Watt PA System that I have. I know getting a new amp is better, and I plan to save for one, but would a pedal through the HA120 sound fine if I decided to sell my amps to help save for the 6505+?

If you went for something like a Line 6 POD XT live it would work and sound decent (much better than your spider). There are Rectifier and Soldano SLO amp models that will probably work for you. They run ~$100 used for the XT live and $65 for the XT bean
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I've been looking at the 6505+, but it's nearly as expensive as my guitar!


that's a bit like saying my car engine costs as much as its seats, surely?
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You'd probably have to save up for that Peavey 6505 combo, you can't do anything better with that Line 6. Just save up for the better amp.
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A Pod through your PA is a good option. The tone you want is in there and you can plug it into any monitor or stereo and get decent results. I still prefer a good amp live but in a pinch this will be much better than trying to squeeze good tone out of a Spider.
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that's a bit like saying my car engine costs as much as its seats, surely?


A brand new 6505+ 112 is ~$600. My guitar was $800 New. So unless your car seats are really fancy, than I highly doubt it

But I think I will take all your advice and save up for the 6505+. Thanks everyone, now I know I'm not wasting money on things.
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A brand new 6505+ 112 is ~$600. My guitar was $800 New. So unless your car seats are really fancy, than I highly doubt it

But I think I will take all your advice and save up for the 6505+. Thanks everyone, now I know I'm not wasting money on things.

A used 6505+ combo is $350
In the world of guitars an $800 guitar or amp is really not very expensive
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Actually, I think it's far more common (and appropriate) to spend more on your amp than your guitar. As long as your guitar feels and plays well and has decent pickups, the amp will make by far more difference than shelling out another $1500+ for a high-end guitar.

I can make even a very cheap guitar sound good through my rig, but I can't make a high-end guitar sound very good through a crappy practice amp.
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@ Robbgnarly - $800 for a teen that has to save the majority of everything he earns for college is a lot. $350 for an amp that has as good of reviews as the 6505+ isn't bad though.
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If i spent the money i did on guitars when i should of spent on my amp, id be sitting next to a mesa boogie dual rec and a orange rockerverb100. Cab would still be the same though aha.

Id still have my LTD and PRS but yeah.
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@ Robbgnarly - $800 for a teen that has to save the majority of everything he earns for college is a lot. $350 for an amp that has as good of reviews as the 6505+ isn't bad though.

Oh I completely understand, I was just saying that in the world of guitar that is not an extreme price at all.

If you can somehow scrape $500 up you can get a USA made Peavey 5150 2x12 combo which is way better than the 1x12
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