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Old 09-16-2002, 11:47 PM   #1
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what's chord soloing

im not sure if i got the name right, so does anyone know about something called chord soloing? is it as simple as it sounds or is there more to it
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Old 09-17-2002, 12:08 AM   #2
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there is probably a lot more to it....... like good ol' plain soloing..... sounds simple but is the exact opposite..... that's all i can say for now.......







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Old 09-17-2002, 12:17 AM   #3
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thanks for the input anyway, yeah i think casualty is busy explaing to someone else how u go about writing music for lyrics cuz i was in that thread
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casualty has so much time on his hands...... i wanted to know more about scales and chords and intervals and such a while ago, and he gave me like three huge ass replies with in-depth explanations, and he said he had barely touched on the subject...... wow.
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Old 09-17-2002, 12:27 AM   #5
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does anyone actually know how old he is or how talented he is, cuz obviously he's one of the better players in this forum...its easy to see he's some sorta legend around these forums when all else fails, go to casualty

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Tab us out an example.
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Old 09-17-2002, 04:50 PM   #7
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what do you mean dmal? i dont know what chord soloing is so i was hoping someone could give me an example or an explaination
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what do you mean dmal? i dont know what chord soloing is so i was hoping someone could give me an example or an explaination


I've never heard of it.
Where did you hear about it?
I am just looking for mor info to go on in my research.
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maybe you mean arpeggios(?) thats taking a chord into picking.
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Old 09-17-2002, 07:19 PM   #10
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oh well basically i was reading on the lessons on this forum and some guy whoes been playing for a while sez that a student came to him to learn how to do chord soloing, and i've heard the term here and there
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well public property, i dun think its jus that...seems to simple to be arpeggio cuz if it was that then it would be jus way easy to play, most solos i've seen require at least some degree of skill and arpeggio is pretty simple; thanks for the input though
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Old 09-17-2002, 07:26 PM   #12
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They may say "Well, I play lots of things, but I play them all the same way. I want to learn
how to do chord melody solos, more interesting chords and strums, and also improve my
fingerpicking so I can try some classical.". In other words, they want to move to a higher
level as a player. They want to make VERTICAL GROWTH.
They don't want to continue to learn new songs and play them the same way. That would be
HORIZONTAL GROWTH. Everyone can always make Horizontal Growth, even on their
own. You just learn more material, but you don't actually play any differently, musically or
technically.

this is one of the lessons that mention chord solos, they call it chord melody solo...to bad no one know what it is, oh well
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Old 09-17-2002, 11:18 PM   #13
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i do ..... sorry, i didn't have time to answer this last night.


chord soloing is just like it sounds .... its a solo using chords instead of single notes. now there is a melodic solo going on , and thoser are the melody notes of the chords you're playing (the melody note of a chord is the highest pitch in the voicing that you are using)


example ....

lets say you want to play the melody below

B-7......................E7......................... ......A Maj7
9---------7--5----------l-------------10--7-----9-------l----------
-------------------9--7--l----------------------9-----10-l----------
--------------------------l-7-------------------------------l-9-------
--------------------------l---------------------------------l----------
--------------------------l---------------------------------l----------
--------------------------l---------------------------------l----------


ok, so this progression is in the key of A .... now for chord soloing you have to pay attention to the underlying harmony, here we have a ii-V-I progression in A major ..... now ... for the B-7 you wanna play chords that will sound good over a B- tonality which leaves you open to many choices , and for the E7 you'll use chords or chord fragments that work over a dominant tonlaity .... once again that leaves you with many choices, then the same for the A maj7

now to fully analyze the chord progression, the melody and the harmony behind the chords im going to post here in the example, would be a task that would take up 2 pages probably ....so i'll give you a "smaple" chord solo that i might do for this melody, and give you some tips ..... any other questions as to the underlying theory can be asked later

Chord solo


B-7.......................E7........................ .........A Maj7

9---------7---------------l------------10--7------9--------l----------
7---------7--10---9--7--l-------------9--9--9--10--10-l----------
7---------7---9----9--7--l-7----------9--9--7--11--11-l-9-------
9--------------9---9---9-l--9----------9-----9--12--11-l-11------
---------------------------l--11------------------------------l-11------
---------------------------l-----------------------------------l-----------

now ... theres the chords, now notice the top note (the hisghest pitch in each chord, is i dentical to the melody in the previous example .... this is chord soloing, taking that melody and harmonizing it within (or outside of) the key (don't worry about outside reharmonization .... theres more than plenty of things to do within the key)

final tip ... play the melody note a bit harder than the rest of the chord so as to make the melody more apparent .

any more questions ..... you know the drill


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p.s. sorry for the sloppyness of the exampels.... i just couldn't get it to line up any straighter
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Old 09-17-2002, 11:33 PM   #14
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man, why are you apologizing for not answering sooner, im jus glad u did, u cleard a lot of things up and now i got new stuff to try out, thanks alot man u really cleared a whole bunch of stuff!
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Old 09-17-2002, 11:39 PM   #15
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actually, sorry to bother u again but i got one question,
do u think it would work on a A minor harmonic scale or jus an Am scale
i was thinking
harmonic- Am, G#, F E7
Am- Am, G, F E7

oh and since Am and C are the "same", would i want to add a C in there and stress it or would that mess it up
thanks so much for ur help man
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Old 09-18-2002, 05:04 PM   #16
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see, i told you casualty knows his s***.

now, time to make sense of it all.....
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Old 09-18-2002, 05:29 PM   #17
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well u sure as hell were right, im slowly grasping the understanding of chord soloing, how about u?
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Old 12-26-2002, 01:30 AM   #18
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actually, sorry to bother u again but i got one question,
do u think it would work on a A minor harmonic scale or jus an Am scale
i was thinking
harmonic- Am, G#, F E7
Am- Am, G, F E7

oh and since Am and C are the "same", would i want to add a C in there and stress it or would that mess it up
thanks so much for ur help man



i know this is rather late in the game, but i was cleaning out the forum and i came upon this thread again .......


to answer your question.... yes it will work with any scale and or chord change. you just need to know the underlying harmony of all the chords within that scale


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Old 12-28-2002, 09:46 PM   #19
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so... i'm probably wrong but would the fingerpicking part of good riddance be kinda like that??
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so... i'm probably wrong but would the fingerpicking part of good riddance be kinda like that??


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