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Old 03-27-2014, 12:25 AM   #1
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another "Which Guitar"/amp Thread!

Hello!

History: I used to own a Line6 Spyder and an ESP LTD MH-400. I sold them to live abroad for a couple years. I'm now back, and been working and want to get myself a new axe and combo amp.

Budget: $1200 for the guitar and amp.

Amp: I've been looking at the line6 simplifi 75w. It seems versatile and great for my purposes, just playing at home and writing music, no performing for this yuppy.

Favorite Artists: Sun Caged, Nightwish, Omnium Gatherum (new), Edenbridge. Definitely lean to the power-metal and progressive metal side of this. Also like opeth.

Tone I'm searching for: I want something that will help me get sounds like Emppu from Nightwish and Lanvall (another Lanvall ) from Edenbridge. Also for more rhythm sounds I like Gus G's sound and everything from omnium gatherums latest album. ALSO, last one: Circus Maximus .

Prefences: I like the S-Series ibanez and MH series ESP LTD body type. I like the warmth of active pickups, my MH-400 back in the day had EMG 85-81 setup that I liked. If it has a FR bridge, must not be a crap one. I'm cool with a locked bridge. As far as colors go, I really like stained looks, however I'm good with whatever looks classy. I would like a fast neck and like the neck to be set. 24 frets preferred.

New or used is fine, however i'd probably like the used to be from a reputable site since I'll buy online (i'll be in the boondocks in Southeast Idaho when I make the purchase, around mid-april)

Location: Southeast Idaho

No Current gear; so you could also reccomend some accessories, such as cables!

I've been outta the loop for the past six years, I'd appreciate the help, if anyone would mentor me on how I could get back into playing and practicing as well I'd appreciate it very much! Thanks! (I remember I used the Grimoire books, is there anything better out there?)

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Old 03-27-2014, 01:13 AM   #2
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Heres a couple guitars to consider (the Fernandes guitars in the link are on clearance right now):

www.godinguitars.com/godinredlineIIp.htm
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/...fly-deluxe.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/...ver-deluxe.html
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:18 AM   #3
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What do you think about that fernandez vortex? I know it doesn't meet my "classy" preference much but I did once play a v-body guitar and it sat wonderfully in my lap and I was able to angle the neck up high so I had great reach and mobility on the neck.
Thanks for the links, those all really look like great contenders.

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Do you have any suggestions or ideas on where to point me to get back into practice?

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Old 03-27-2014, 01:24 AM   #4
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I expect the Vortex to be up to Fernandes' standards- IMHO, they make pretty good guitars, based on owning a pair of Ravelles. I just don't care for V's, personally. They look cool, but I can't get comfy with them.

I'm mostly self-taught, but I did take about 18 months worth of lessons. A good teacher can give you a lot of pointers that will get you going.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:27 AM   #5
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I can't get comfy with them.


I can see that, standing, for sure, placing the inside of the V on my thigh while sitting, though, was very comfortable I remember.

Well, heres to them not all selling out before I move back to Idaho.
much thanks!

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Old 03-27-2014, 03:46 AM   #6
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Most power/goth metal tone is all a Dual or Triple Rectifier. Some of them use old Line 6 solid states like the Vetta or HD147.

You can easily afford a used Vetta or HD147, so I would recommend that.

I also recommend a used Peavey Vypyr Tube 60. The Rectifier model doesn't really capture the feel or sagginess of a Rectifier, but if you look past how it stacks up, it has great tones regardless.

As for guitars, if you want an MH, might as well get a used MH-400 or MH-1000NT. Do you need to be able to change tunings? If you do and you want a trem system, check out the PRS SE Custom 24.



Line 6 HD147 - $350 http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...708-i3639215.gc

Line 6 Vetta II w/ FBV MkII - $550 http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...377-i3607393.gc

Line 6 SV 4x12 (V30s) - $370 http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...464-i3439141.gc

Marshall MF400A (K100s) - $250 (AMAZING DEAL) http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...521-i3680320.gc

Marshall 1960A (T75s) - $380 (meh deal) http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...081-i3564933.gc

Marshall 1960AV (V30s) - $380 (good deal) http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...566-i3399533.gc

Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 - $200 (great deal) http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...468-i3676036.gc



LTD MH-350NT - $350 http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...285-i3262470.gc

LTD MH-401QMNT ( )- $350 http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...870-i3441955.gc

PRS SE Custom 24 (2012 version) - $550 (no used ones cheap enough to justify) http://www.guitarcenter.com/PRS-SE-...956-i3592171.gc




As for cables, I'm a big fan of Live Wire. They're cheap, durable, and they come with lifetime warranties. If one breaks on you, walk in to Guitar Center, give it to them, and they'll give you a brand new one, no charge whatsoever.

I like to use 18'6". They're just long enough to move around without hassle, without being too long. It's shorter than it sounds. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wi...163-i1128386.gc

You need this to connect head and cab if you go that way. 3 ft. is a good length. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wi...694-i1165539.gc
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:06 AM   #7
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Offworld92,

Wow, thanks for all the effort put into putting that down.
I never considered buying a used MH before... However, after using it for two years I did regret not getting an S-series Ibanez and changing the pickups, because the FR system on the MH did not hold tuning very well, it was a licenses version. I've heard great things about the ZR systems from Ibaneze, so maybe I'll look into going that route and changing out the junky inifinty pick ups for something more solid.
I must admit, that MH-401 looks great and is at a great price.

As for the amplification I'm mostly looking for the route of something small. I'm still an undergrad student and will be goign to grad school and then work. I'll probably be moving 4x in a year and a half, and I despise buying moving trucks, DESPISE. So, the vypr looks like a good option, but does it have as much flexibility as the amplifi? I guess I stressed a lot the bands I liked, but I guess I'm mostly looking for being able to reproduce a lot of sounds; I'm unfamiliar with the vypyr, how do you think it handles that? However, I suppose at $200 I could get some pedals? I've never used pedals in my life, so what would you all think about that?

Dang, them used deals... i'm drooling at that mh401qmnt.. and at $350, wow..

If I can make away with only $900 on amp/guitar, do you guys know of any decent digital recording gear I could get? (PC)

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Old 03-27-2014, 11:51 AM   #8
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If you're moving a lot and not jamming/gigging with other musicians for the forseeable future, consider using headphones with a portable digital modeling device like one of these (some are discontinued, can still be easily found) instead of an amp:

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.guitarcenter.com/-i1169092.gc

Boss Micro-BR 80
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR80/

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-...875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...306-i1401677.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-...473-i1402140.gc

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...554-i1124641.gc

Korg Pandora Stomp
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PandoraSTOr/

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pa...715-i1387080.gc

Here is a visual comparison of (left to right) Tascam, my PX-5 and one of my Px4s to my old Aiwa cassette player:



Only the Tascam has decent acoustic recording capacity. All DO have features like tuners, metronomes, drum synthesizers, and digital amp & pedal modeling.

So with decent headphones, you can rock out like you were playing Texas Stadium. And yes, they are all about the size of an old Walkman.

The ones I own: the Tascam has the external mics, a phrase trainer (loop & slow down stuff for practicing), and takes SD cards. Both it and the PX5 can connect directly to your computer via a USB port. It is less powerful than the PX5, but, oddly, the PX5 does not have a belt/strap hook.

The ones I don't own: The Line6 PocketPOD is, I believe, the most popular device like this; the Boss might be the most powerful (and priciest); the Pandora Mini is the smallest (its about the size of a stack of business cards), cheapest, and least powerful.
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:59 AM   #9
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Oh wow!
I think I'll probably just get a small amp AND one of those, so my wife doesn't complain about me being loud. This is the kind of thing i was thinking of in terms of some kind of recording device; the recording quality doesn't even need to be that good; just something i can record a track to and play back so I can practice leads.
Do you know if they have the functionality to conect to my computer and then record there and play back what I recorded-?
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Most either connect via USB or have some kind of SD chip (or similar removable storage chips), and some have both.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:16 PM   #11
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Is the Amplifi versatile? Let me put it like this.

It's like Oprah Winfrey. Can she get her legs behind her head? With some effort yea, would you want to **** her? Nope.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:17 PM   #12
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What do you guys know about Ibanez's Zero Resistance set ups? I've never played one; do they hold tune well, return to tuning well and are they durable? I'm reading a lot of conflicting opinions on different forums.
looking at: http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...727-i3614978.gc

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Old 03-28-2014, 05:54 PM   #13
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They Peavey Vypyr is very versatile. Probably more usable versatility than that Line 6 thing (looks like a gimmick to me). You don't need pedals with it, that's sort of the point of modeling amps. You'll probably want a Sanpera II though (the footcontroller for the Vypyrs). They run about $100 used.

Yes, the LFRs and FR Specials on the sub1000 LTDs suck. That's why I only recommended LTDs with fixed TOM bridges. But it seems like you definitely want a floating bridge, is that right?

I love my S420. I love the ZR. I love the Wizard III. It's my go-to guitar when I want to use a double locking bridge. That said, no, it's not as stable as the original Edge on my RG520. But I'm not the kind of guy that does divebombs and stuff like that, I use my bridges for vibrato 95% of the time. So it's not really an issue. Your playing style will determine if it's okay for you or not.

If you're doing divebombs every 5 seconds in your music, forget it. Just get an old RG5XX with an original Edge and be done with it.

If you do vibrato or the occasional divebomb, the ZR will work fine for you.
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Thanks, Offworld!

I'm not big into Herman-Li playing, so a ZR2 should be good then.


I'm looking at: http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...389-i3564678.gc

Seems to have the right hardware, and wood for what I'm interested in.

I have heard, however, that the Infinity pickups are garbage. Have you changed yours out, if so what would you recommend? I liked my 81/85 setup, but I'd love to try something different, maybe more the sounds Emppu gets, but I've been unsuccessful in finding what pups he uses in his custom or before he was made a custom guitar.\

edit: oh, this has an edge tremolo, thought it had a ZR.. well.. back to searching more

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Old 03-29-2014, 02:47 AM   #15
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So,
I've spent most of the day looking around and stumbled upon a Vinnie Moore signature model (obv the lower end one) that I like alright. Wondering how the H/S/S set up works for the sounds i'm looking for and if you know anything about the Dean pups that are on it.

http://shop.deanguitars.com/c/elect...re_vinnie-moore

I know i'm beating a dead horse here, but I like to research like craz before I spend anything over $500 , especially as a college student.
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Thanks, Offworld!

I'm not big into Herman-Li playing, so a ZR2 should be good then.


I'm looking at: http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Stor...389-i3564678.gc

Seems to have the right hardware, and wood for what I'm interested in.

I have heard, however, that the Infinity pickups are garbage. Have you changed yours out, if so what would you recommend? I liked my 81/85 setup, but I'd love to try something different, maybe more the sounds Emppu gets, but I've been unsuccessful in finding what pups he uses in his custom or before he was made a custom guitar.\

edit: oh, this has an edge tremolo, thought it had a ZR.. well.. back to searching more


Yes, my S420 has a DiMarzio D Activator set in it. The Infinities are total garbage, barely even usable. The only usable Ibanez pickups out there IMO are the old Powersounds, but they haven't made those in a while.

Keep in mind that older S models have 22 frets, not 24. They've only had 24 frets since... 2012, I think.


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I've spent most of the day looking around and stumbled upon a Vinnie Moore signature model (obv the lower end one) that I like alright. Wondering how the H/S/S set up works for the sounds i'm looking for and if you know anything about the Dean pups that are on it.

http://shop.deanguitars.com/c/elect...re_vinnie-moore

I know i'm beating a dead horse here, but I like to research like craz before I spend anything over $500 , especially as a college student.


That one has a Floyd Rose Special. I would stay away.

If you want a Floyd Rose trem, look for a used Schecter Hellraiser or Blackjack, or a used LTD Deluxe that has an FR-1000, or a used Ibanez with a ZR, Edge or Edge Pro. Probably a couple other good Ibanez ones that may pop up in your budget, but those are the main three that you'll find for $500.
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All good recommendations.

I've finally had a bit of time with the Amplifi series; I think the 150W version (with the larger bottom-end speaker) might be more up your alley, but it's a good unit nonetheless.

If you were to get a Pod HD Desktop (the kidney-bean shaped one that's on sale here and there for about $199), you could run it into a set of good powered recording monitors. I have a pair of KRK Rokit 8's ( you should be able to find a set of Gen2's around for under $150 each). This gives you stereo options, a set of monitors suitable for recording, a whole raft of amps/cabs/FX, a USB interface for computer recording, yada yada. In a small room and for nearfield (6-8'), there's plenty of bass, even with their 8" woofers. If you get flush at some point, there are subwoofers in their line that will extend that. If you can get those prices, you will have spent about $500 of your budget.

The actual recording will require software (several DAWs available free out there) and a suitable laptop (nothing special required there; most everything out there will be fast and powerful enough for casual recording). If you're a student, you probably have all you need in that department now.

I make my own cables -- I buy Canare cable and Neutrik ends in bulk and spend an hour or two slapping together a bunch of cables. The quality is as good as (and usually better than) the "lifetime warranty" stuff out there and costs 1/3 to 1/2 what they do.

You can run the Pod through good headphones, and you can use a good set for mixing your recordings. I suggest spending between $100 and 200 on a good set of those. No need to spend more than that. The Sony 7506, AKG 240, Sennheiser 280 and BeyerDynamic 770s have been studio standards forever.
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What makes you say that the 150w would be more up my alley than the 75w?, it just has a larger diameter speaker-? I'm not sure I understand the difference
I do like the idea, however, of getting some digital recording options and playing through recording speakers.
Is making a cable practical for someone as nub as me, and not buying in bulk?
I'm starting to consider getting a guitar with a used EZ bridge, however those are knife-edge, wouldn't it be likely they that wont return to tuning correctly when I tremolo?

I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it to even get a trem guitar, they're mostly about $200 more expensive and I wonder how much use i'll get out of it during my first year to two of re-learning to play.
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The Edge Zeros seem fine. They've been out for a few years now, and I haven't seen any complaints about them.
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Alright. I'm coming to the final stretch!
I think i'm definitely looking at an ibanez s-series, now. If I can sell my desktop gaming computer I'll be upping my budget by $500, that'd give me about $1500-1700 for amp/guitar.
Some things i've decided on:

Neck: Set, C-Shape
Body: Mahogany (I'd be OK with basswood)
top: Quilted maple looks pretty
-is there a big functionality to the topping in terms of sound?
Fretboard: I like rosewood or ebony (Maple is fine, not too big a deal)
frets: Jumbo frets
Bridge: I would prefer a Floyd Rose style tremelo (FR, EZ, ZR)
Pickups: I am looking for a warm rhythm with a warm melody sound, as well. I liked my 81-85 set up on my old MH-400, but I'm willing to change out pickups and try something new. I liked my actives, but I'm willing to try some passives, as well. Once I get the guitar I'll probably visit the pickups section and bother them, as well.

If this were a set neck (http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/u_...=199&color=CL01)
It would be very ideal, then I'd just switch out the pickups

I think i've gained some research skills from ya'll. Not really asking for help here, this is just more of an update so you know your advice/help is being used. I appreciate it alot. Probably going to make the purchase in about 2 weeks. I'll post what I end up buying and some pics when I get it

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