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Old 05-12-2005, 06:23 PM   #81
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how the hell can you let Abmajb5 go when E is the #5 of Ab not the b5. it should be G# anyway, aug chords work like dim, they are symmetrical, so the 1 3 #5 pattern repeats, so if its E aug the the natural third of E as we all know is G#, not Ab. And if it is C aug then we all know the #5 of C is G# and again not Ab.
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:24 PM   #82
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Whoops^. I looked at the alteration wrong. I have the proper explanation, at least. Kind of. on my part. *Edits*

I think that FM accidentally said b5 and not #5 and I followed along. Mistakes on both our parts.

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Old 05-12-2005, 06:26 PM   #83
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:29 PM   #85
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^^^Well I am... among other people as well though.

Were're? What the hell? *slaps self in face* GET IT TOGETHER FENDER!

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I'll try to reclaim what honor I may/may not have initially had (last time for me to go, I promise ):

Name this arpeggio:
Code:
--------6-8- ------5----- ----5------- --7--------- 5----------- ------------


Rules: No adds! Simplest form! (In a similar vein to slash_pwns' first chord, D is not the root, no matter how much you want it to be!)

Hint: Classic subdominant (this is also a bit of a "rule"... but should be of help)

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Old 05-12-2005, 06:41 PM   #87
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Wild guess, as I have no reckalection(sp?) of "sub-dominants"...

Bbmaj9?
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Old 05-12-2005, 06:48 PM   #89
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1 3 5 b7 9 13

C13?
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*Sigh*... I guess... But classic subdominant?

I was hoping for Bbmaj#11. But yours goes better with the actual rules... which were to keep it simple. I should've declared the subdominant bit as a rule.

Bbmaj#11, the classic tonic chord of Bb Lydian, whose tonic functions as the subdominant to F.

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Bb D F A C E 1 3 5 7 9 #11


The #11 being Lydian's defining characteristic. But go ahead bangoodcharlotte, that works just fine.
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What does subdominant mean?

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e----------- B------5-8- G----------- D---7------- A-0--5------ E------------
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:04 PM   #92
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^^^ I see now that they are... well:

A9, that is a sub-dominant chord, since there is a b7th, but is is not noted.

C13 is too. It's just a major chord with a b7th and extentions that are in the major scale.

If any of that is wrong, tell me.
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The degrees of the major scale have names themselves-- the keytone (take C) is the tonic, and F (the fourth degree) is the subdominant. Here are the names:

1 - Tonic (C)
2 - Spertonic (D)
3 - Mediant (E)
4 - Subdominant (F)
5 - Dominant (G)
6 - Submediant (A)
7 - Leading Tone (B)

These names are often helpful in figuring things out.


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^^^ I see now that they are... well:

A9, that is a sub-dominant chord, since there is a b7th, but is is not noted.

C13 is too. It's just a major chord with a b7th and extentions that are in the major scale.

If any of that is wrong, tell me.


Right, but the I chord of the Lydian mode is not a b7 chord of the major scale. (and the "Classic Subdominant" wouldn't have non-diatonic tones with respect to its key)

Why are those called "dominant" chords? Because they are built with the fifth degre of the major scale, a.k.a. the "dominant." It doesn't make sense to see a chord with a b7 and have "subdominant" come to mind.

In breif, a subdominant (when in key) can't have a b7. It has a major seven.

So, why, you may ask, dont we call this something like Bb subdominant #11 just like we call 7th chords something like Bb dominant 7? Well, because a chord with a major 7 extension is NOT necessarily the subdominant-- it may aslo be the tonic.

The dominant (a/k/a/ fifth note of the major scale) is the only note that is the root of a chord with a major triad AND a b7. This is why the word "dominant' in the context of a chord should call to mind a major triad and a b7.

Does this mean that C13 is not a subdominant? No. HOWEVER, it can't be a subdominant AND remain consistant with what would be its respective key-- which is G. The b7 (Bb) is not in the key of G.

This is why it's generally acceptable to say "G dominant 7" of the chord G-B-D-F when its used in the key of C and NOT 'G dominant 7" in the ey of, say, D.

*SOME USEFUL INFO THAT MIGHT BE NEW***

It is not improper to call Bm7b5 in the key of C something to the effect of "B Leading Tone 7".... although it's rarely done.

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Bangoodcharlotte's

EDIT: 48 hours

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Old 05-12-2005, 08:42 PM   #96
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Ok... Any chance at making it 24 hours, or even less, so the thread doesnt fade out?

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EDIT: I got a crazy question for my next turn! Muwhahahaha
Welp, go!


Edit: I mean guess my arp in the edited post.
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Old 05-12-2005, 09:18 PM   #98
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A7sus4!

EDIT: Or Em7/A if your heart desires.
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A7sus4!

EDIT: Or Em7/A if your heart desires.
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Old 05-12-2005, 09:34 PM   #100
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Ok

Ok heres the deal:

Code:
|------------------| |-----------0-4----| |-------0-1--------| |------------------| |---1-4------------| |-3----------------|


This arpeggio appears to be in the key of G, but its not... mmk? I'm only taking one answer, You have to have it right on...

You'll see the crazyness when its done (Or I'll look like an idiot)

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