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Old 06-29-2005, 09:49 PM   #1
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12 Bar Blues

Okay, I'm wondering about this.

I've learned up on sum lessons on blues and what I think about the 12 Bar blues is that is a chord progression like I+V+IV and if it was in key of Cmaj, the chords played would be Cmaj7 + Gmaj7 + Fmaj7.

And Each chord is played 4 times. Am I right?

And is there a certain special rythem you would play when using the 12 bar blues?
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Old 06-29-2005, 09:56 PM   #2
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12 Bar Blues Forms

C7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
F7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
G7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |

C7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
F7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
G7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | G7 / / / |

C7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
F7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | C7 / / / |
G7 / / / | F7 / / / | C7 / / / | G7 / / / |
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:02 PM   #3
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Re: 12 Bar Blues

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And is there a certain special rythem you would play when using the 12 bar blues?

I guess you could call it a swing rhythm.
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no special rythm....well, sorta....i mean wtf dude its the blues. Justlisten to some Howling Wolf and Muddy Waters and you'll know how to play
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:13 PM   #5
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no special rythm....well, sorta....i mean wtf dude its the blues. Justlisten to some Howling Wolf and Muddy Waters and you'll know how to play


Whaddya' mean no special rhythm? The last two posts basically told him about the rhythms for blues.
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:27 PM   #6
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:41 PM   #7
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How would a swing rythem go? Normally when I play chords and try and sound bluesy, i do it using triplets, mute some chords, and use an extensive combonation of up/down strokes. Would you call that somewhat of a swing rythem?
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:47 PM   #8
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Download some jam tracks here. Blues is mostly about feel, you'll get it.
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:26 PM   #9
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I-IV-V 12 BAR BLUES
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Key Of C (I-IV-V = C F G) C.....F7.....C....C7 F.....F7.....C....C7 G7....F7.... C....G7 Pattern For 12 Bar Blues I IV7 I I7 IV IV7 I I7 V7 IV7 I V7
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The 12 bar blues pattern

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I I I I (You can also add sevenths to IV IV I I spice it up a bit) V IV I I


That's basic blues, play that progession over and over again, and take turns with lead. Just use the blues scale that corresponds to that key (Even though it's not limited to just a blues scale).
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/ 3 \ swing rythem: e e = q e

Two eight notes together are played like a quarter and eigth note triplet. The easiest way to get that in your head is by saying shuf - ful, Shuf - ful, Shuf - ful, etc...


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Old 06-30-2005, 02:25 AM   #11
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^Actually, all the chords in standard 12-bar blues are dominant. All of them, all the time.

And Philsopher1989 (threadstarter), your Cmaj7 Fmaj7 Gmaj7 approach to the I IV V would mean you're going off of strict modal chord rules... which then means a true I IV V would be Cmaj7 Fmaj7#11 G7. Just thought I'd chime in there. Blues (major key) is I7 IV7 V7. All dominant.

The typical rhythm is the shuffle. However, this is not always the case. There are often mixes as well... Albert Collins liked to lay shuffle-based (triplets) licks over standard 4/4 time. Some guys inadvertantly pull off standard licks over shuffle (you might also see shuffle as 12/8, depending on tempo of song and such).

Most of SRV's blues stuff is shuffle rhythm... real sweet ideas based on the most basic principles. Same with your Claptons, Kings, etc.

Here's some songs for reference:

Shuffle - Pride and Joy (SRV)
Standard - Crossroads (Cream)
Some shuffle over standard - Ice Pick (Albert Collins)
12/8 shuffle-based rhythm - Any slow SRV (Tin Pan Alley, Ain't Gone and Give Up On Love, Texas Flood) or BB King (Sweet Sixteen, The Thrill Is Gone)

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Old 06-30-2005, 09:00 AM   #12
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u can just plug ur open string chords (major if u like i asked my guitar teacher who is predominantly a blues player) altho u usualy use ur dominant 7s neways theres also the "bogey wogey" patterns the 2 most common of which r
p5 M6 p5 M6 & p5 M6 m7 M6

so like a perfect fifth on the E and a strings looks like this:
A|-7
E|-5

a Major 6 would look like this
A|-9
E|-5

a minor 7 with look like this
A|-10
E|-5

so part of a 12 bar blues pattern could look like this(p5,M6,p5,M6):
D|----------------------|-7-7-9-9-7-7-9-9|----------------...
A|-7-7-9-9-7-7-9-9-|-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-|-7-7-9-9-7-7...
E|-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-|----------------------|-5-5-5-5-5-5...
and so on simply plugging in these power chord/intervals into the patterns specified above
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^Actually, all the chords in standard 12-bar blues are dominant. All of them, all the time.


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Heres a shuffle 12 bar blues pattern... In E.
Code:
Q.=80(8=s8) E7 4/4 |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E ||--------------------|-------------------| ||o-------------------|-------------------| ||--------------------|-------------------| ||--------------------|-------------------| ||o-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-|-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-| ||--0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4---|-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4---| |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-|-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2--| |-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4---|-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4----| A7 |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E |-------------------|-------------------| |-------------------|-------------------| |-------------------|-------------------| |-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-|-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-| |-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4---|-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-4---| |-------------------|-------------------| E7 |-3-| |-3-| E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-------------------|--------------------| |-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2-|-2-2-4-2-2-2-----2--| |-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4---|-0-0-0-0-0-0-3h4----| B7 A7 E7 B7 E E Q Q Q E E Q Q Q E E Q Q Q q Q H |------------------|---------------|--------------|-------7----|| |------------------|---------------|--------------|-------7---o|| |------------------|---------------|--------------|-------8----|| |------------------|---------------|--------------|-------7----|| |-/9-9-11--12--11--|-7-7-9--10--9--|-2-2-4--5--4--|-9-----9---o|| |-/7-7--7---7---7--|-5-5-5---5--5--|-0-0-0--0--0--|-7-----7----||
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they CAN be dominant but they dont have to be
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Heres a shuffle 12 bar blues pattern... In E.
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Looks sorta like Bring It On Home.
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they CAN be dominant but they dont have to be


hes completely right the r usually dominant 7s but u can use major chords too my guitar teacher was telling me about it seeing as he plays predominantly blues
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Looks sorta like Bring It On Home.


It does :\

Its just a standard thing, though.
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