07-07-2005, 08:42 PM
|
#21 | |
|
Stop Being Pretentious
Join Date: May 2004
Location: If you put "right behind you" here, commit suicide for the sake of natural selection.
|
Quote:
*shakes head* |
|
|
|
07-07-2005, 09:11 PM
|
#22 |
|
is moist.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
|
^ What does that mean.
|
|
|
|
07-07-2005, 09:14 PM
|
#23 |
|
is moist.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
|
And to Corwinoid, is a Neapolitian 6th not a variation of a Phrygian II with a lowered second degree?
|
|
|
|
07-07-2005, 11:19 PM
|
#24 |
|
UG Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
|
though i am learning it now because 1 day in a band i may need it. its always good to know extra
 |
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 01:08 AM
|
#25 | |
|
The Moor
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CANADA!~~~
|
Quote:
correct i wouldnt know that .1%... i indeed have not ran into music that fell into that .1%... but that DOESNT MEAN I dont worry about it. Your right i was speculating on what Paganini was doing... but John certainly does not use theory(for those chromatic runs... i have read the interviews where he says its all his ear.)... and the reason most guitarist get confused is because all the theory they learn does not involve these chromatic tones... the just cant comprehend why they can be used in such instances... and in fact i do not either... im able to use them occasionally but... ONLY BECAUSE OF MY EAR! dimebag was great at guitar... and he wrote music that was indeed great... explain why he was a **** songwriter and maybe ill argue this. agreed most guitarist dont understand what timbre is... but why the **** are you telling me this? i didnt even mention timbre... check my posts... i dont bitch about pop music... i bitch about ****ty music... and why cant u fellows accept that your ear is more important... its like your a scientist if your just putting in the notes that fit...your filling in a variable to an equation... and formulaic music is for lacklustre musicians...
__________________
High Templar of the UG Secret Society PM SickMetal or Sanitarium24 to join. aNOMaly |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 04:33 PM
|
#26 | |
|
is moist.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
|
Quote:
Because it's not. Sure, it's a blessing to have a great ear for music, but if you know theory, it is completely unnecessary.  ! Shocked?! It's true.For example: In math, I may not insinctively know exactly why tn=a+(n-1)d, as some math whizzes might, but because I know that formula, I can answer any question I want that involves a sequence/series, because I know how to use it. The same principle applies to music. I happen to have a musical ear. I have since I was very young. But for some people who aren't gifted with that ability, studying theory will allow them to understand how music works, and they will be able to write better than some little **** who picks up a guitar and shreds his brains out in blissful ignorance. |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 06:13 PM
|
#27 |
|
Official UG "Do It" Ref
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Pasadena, CA
|
^Uh, the ear is what makes everything work. You don't know if your theory-in-action is working unless you have a good ear.
Your analogy is flawed, methinks.
__________________
Looking for my India/Django. |
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 06:40 PM
|
#29 | |
|
Forget Genres
Join Date: May 2005
Location: England
|
Quote:
Nice point. I think each part of theory is a new tool at your disposal and obviously the more tools you have in your arsenal the more firepower you have. And so the more possibilities are open to you. Also if you want to improv live then I'd say it's really quite important to know your scales, modes and such like. However, the most powerful tool at your disposal is deffinitely your ear and that can be better than following a predetermined plan or formula because you're doing something more unpredictable. Your open to more suggestion as it were. And unpredictability often means more originality. Originality is surely something ever songwriter strives for. |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 06:51 PM
|
#30 | |
|
UG Monkey
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: I am Ra. You are perceptive.
|
^ It's actually a horrible point.... I have no idea where Nex got the idea that theory is formulaic, especially when you apply it to your music.
Look, if you just write based on what you think sounds good, then there's no way around the basic truth that your music will lack any real depth, and you'll never produce sounds and qualities in your music that you possibly could if you actually understood what it was you were doing. Period. It's really that simple, and I don't see how so many people can fail to get this. There are times when what 'sounds good' is the _wrong_ thing to write, but people don't seem to understand that. They just fiddle with what sounds good, and eventually get lucky. I've seen so many half truths, guesses, and flat out misunderstandings in this thread that it's absurd.
__________________
Quote:
Click here to worship me. Member #3 of the Corwinoid Fan Club |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 06:54 PM
|
#31 | |
|
The Moor
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CANADA!~~~
|
hold on here... i never said that using theory to write is formulaic...
but if thats ALL you rely on then definetely you are going to be repeating ALOT of old ideas... AND if your just putting notes in that you KNOW will fit, then your not experimenting with music at all... your making generic music... trying new things, and using your ear to decide whether you like them or not is an important part of music... Quote:
you want to talk about half truths and absurdities? theres one for you... you can never write the wrong thing in music...
__________________
High Templar of the UG Secret Society PM SickMetal or Sanitarium24 to join. aNOMaly Last edited by `NeXxuS` : 07-08-2005 at 07:05 PM. |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 07:37 PM
|
#32 | |
|
is moist.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
|
Quote:
Oh please. Don't try to be all holier-than-thou. Of course you can write the wrong things in music. You and your generalizations. "ooh all metal is in E or A minor dudes". Sound familiar? |
|
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 07:55 PM
|
#33 |
|
The Moor
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CANADA!~~~
|
i said just about all metal.. and i didnt say dudes... dont even try to make me sound like that... its pretty obvious from the way you two imitate people on this forum that your extremely immature... even in old age.
find a metal song that isnt in E or A... and wtf? you cant write the wrong thing in music... you two are so narrow-minded about music... god... progressive... whatever... your more like UG's Conservative one.
__________________
High Templar of the UG Secret Society PM SickMetal or Sanitarium24 to join. aNOMaly Last edited by `NeXxuS` : 07-08-2005 at 08:00 PM. |
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 08:31 PM
|
#34 |
|
stepping stone
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: north carolina
|
Zamboni wins the pretentious asshat award.
__________________
fly on little wing |
|
|
|
07-08-2005, 08:39 PM
|
#35 |
|
is moist.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Edmonton
|
Thanks ****cake. That means alot coming from some little shit hick from North Carolina.
|
|
|
|
07-25-2005, 10:41 AM
|
#36 | |
|
UG Monkey
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: I am Ra. You are perceptive.
|
OK First off... kabbalites, don't be giving my ****ing asshat away or I'ma kill your dog, ok?
Second, when was I old or conservative? Please...
__________________
Quote:
Click here to worship me. Member #3 of the Corwinoid Fan Club |
|
|
|
|
07-25-2005, 10:46 AM
|
#37 |
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
|
ok ive decided to actually answere the kids question. The easiest way is to *gasp* just use your ear, while something is being played just run up the low e string until u find a spot that sounds right then jsut play.
i learned something from this thread Zamboni is a ****ing angry angry person. Theory is important so is a well trained ear. |
|
|
|
07-25-2005, 10:50 AM
|
#38 | |
|
UG Monkey
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: I am Ra. You are perceptive.
|
^ That is absolutely positively 100% THE *WORST* method imaginable. Why?
Because there's more than one note that's going to sound 'good' over any other given set of notes.
__________________
Quote:
Click here to worship me. Member #3 of the Corwinoid Fan Club |
|
|
|
|
07-25-2005, 11:00 AM
|
#39 |
|
Stop Being Pretentious
Join Date: May 2004
Location: If you put "right behind you" here, commit suicide for the sake of natural selection.
|
"Learn the changes, and then forgot them" as they say.
|
|
|
|
07-25-2005, 01:51 PM
|
#40 | |
|
The Moor
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: CANADA!~~~
|
Quote:
if ur talking about what i said.. that was for zamboni... hes the progressive one... and i said he was conservative.
__________________
High Templar of the UG Secret Society PM SickMetal or Sanitarium24 to join. aNOMaly |
|
|
|
«
Previous Thread
|
Next Thread
»
| Thread Tools | Rate This Thread | |
|
|
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:56 AM.