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Old 07-28-2005, 06:59 PM   #21
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I don't know what you guys are smoking around here, but...


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Old 07-28-2005, 07:13 PM   #22
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hang on.

wot i dont get is, how do u know whether a chord is a split chord or not? i mean, with this last chord on this thread, theres dispute about whether it is split or not.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:17 PM   #23
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wot i dont get is, how do u know whether a chord is a split chord or not? i mean, with this last chord on this thread, theres dispute about whether it is split or not.


Well, if there's a better harmonic function (a major chord instead of a sus chord) or one is named more correctly and it's root note isn't the lowest note in the chord; usually we'll add a slash and put the lowest note to indicate that it is the lowest note.

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Em/G |-0-| |-0-| |-0-| |-2-| |-2-| |-3-|
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:25 PM   #24
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^ the notes in the chord u just showed are:
G
B
E
G
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EGB are the notes in a e minor chord, thats obvious. so is this an inverted chord, with the G as the bass note?
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:53 PM   #25
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its E in an inversion
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:56 PM   #26
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Red's got it most accurately and in it's strongest order. i mean, it just reaks of a minor 9 at least lol.

anyways.... as far as application goes (so this isn't just some bullshit I throw at you guys to name)

this kind of chord is refered to as a cluster chord. now as guitarists we can't doo too many of these... it's pretty limited, as cluster chords are built mainly in seconds. if you'll kindly take notice, alls I did was take the 1st 6 notes of the D Maj scale and voiced them so they're only seperated by 2nds. of course, you can't do this all the way through, so I raised the 5th up an octave, but the concept still applies.

these are great chords to use for modal comping and most Sus passages, cause they're pretty all inclusive. every note except one is in the scale, and that note happens to be the 7th of the major scale... removing that one note (and therefore any tritone presence) gives you a pretty intermodal friendly chord (same with intervallic structures on the upper 4 strings). so really, you could call this chord anything within that key, and use it over any modal setting within D major as long as the bass be holdin down the basis of the vamp.


good job red.


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Old 07-28-2005, 08:11 PM   #27
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Well, if there's a better harmonic function (a major chord instead of a sus chord) or one is named more correctly and it's root note isn't the lowest note in the chord; usually we'll add a slash and put the lowest note to indicate that it is the lowest note.

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Em/G |-0-| |-0-| |-0-| |-2-| |-2-| |-3-|


I'd say its a G add6 though...
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:20 PM   #28
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but there's no 5th (and don't bother telling me you don't need the 5th, this I know) ... and the presence of a 5th leads to a strong 6th sound. if there is one instance I know of, sonically, where removing the 5th helps to **** over the sound of the chord, it's the Maj6 chord. sure you can get rid of the 5th and still call it a major 6..... IF the setting permits.

to really get that major 6th sound by itself, you need that 5th. now of chorse over a Maj vamp in the background whether it be the bass player or someone compinc harmonically, yeah, just using any inversion of a minor chord built off the 6th degree of that root would work to create a maj6 chord. but let's be sonically honest ... while you can say "that's a G6" (not G add6) .... it most certainly sounds like and functions as a simple Eminor chord.

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Old 07-28-2005, 08:24 PM   #29
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well of course it functions like both, I just thought it sounded more like the G was the root. but really, that chord is so simple Its really up to the song to dictate which one it is.
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:25 PM   #30
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I knew there was a special name for that mother ****er...

Here we go, on of my favs...:
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-0- -1- -0- -1- -0- ---


Looking for just a single name here.


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really? your ears gravitate more towards the G on that one?

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Old 07-28-2005, 08:29 PM   #32
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Amin7b5 (5)?
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EDIT: ^^^When you have a natural 5, the minor 5 becomes a #4.

A, actually.

I am confused by your response.
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the 5th would take presedence.

ergo .. Amin7 (b5)

however, we'll call it a #11 and place it nicely with it's parent mode. the Dorian #4 mode of harmonic minor.

thus... Amin7 (#11)

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A, actually.

I am confused by your response.


ohh, me lol ...

I was talking to Shred about the Gmaj 6/Emin 1st inversion thingy


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holy ass, all three of us are going at once.

I have the notes A D# G C E in my chord... the answer is not A-7b5.
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^^ read my edit.

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Ah, I should have seen that one. knew what it was, just didn't know how to write it. :P
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phew, thanks, go ahead doug. I was like, "holy shit, wtf happened to this thread?!?"

answer was A-7#11
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