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Old 01-15-2015, 03:57 PM   #1
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Kiss

Were they for real?

Ace's latest offering is beyond terrible.

I had a listen to the very best of which had one good song on it but the rest of it was utter tripe. EVH tried to join them when he realized DLR was a total **** smoker?

Maybe their target audience was kids, the one thing that has stuck IMO is cheese ball.

Are they proud of fleecing kids during the 70's?

No wonder Paul Stanley has to see a shrink once a week, he must of taken a listen to his discography.

Did anyone think they were a good band?
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Old 01-15-2015, 04:32 PM   #2
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I'm sure people on cocaine thought they were good in the 70's.

I'm not sure about anyone who's not on cocaine though...
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Old 01-15-2015, 04:49 PM   #3
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They sold 100,000,000 records world wide, that's a lot of snow.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:54 PM   #4
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They're not great, no, but nor is AC/DC or GnR (IMO), but people still love them. Their live show is where the goods are. Studio stuff is pretty 'meh' at best.

I probably haven't been a fan since I was about 12, but I can say that the 3 shows I went to were some of the best rock concerts I've ever been to.

Another thing to understand is that KISS is a brand more than it's a band. It was specifically engineered from the beginning to bring in the $$$ and so you won't really find anything profound musically/artistically there.

Think of them more like a circus act based around rock music rather than a group of legitimate artists and you'll be a lot closer to understanding them.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:18 PM   #5
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The early albums are decent, love gun in particular is better than most of their other shit.


It was more about the spectacle than the music for them. Also because of how uptight and christian everyone was back then, some legitimately thought they were demons corrupting kids with music, which is pretty bad ass.


I've seen them a couple times in the last few years, their shows are pretty meh-worthy. They try to hard.
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Old 01-15-2015, 08:15 PM   #6
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time and place.

they were the slipknot of their time, just a gimmick.
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I've seen them a couple times in the last few years, their shows are pretty meh-worthy. They try to hard.


They were really killing it when Ace and Peter came back. When they left again, it went pretty downhill.

I saw the Psycho Circus Tour and the 'Farewell' Tour twice. They were amazing. I saw them a few years later when they were touring with Aerosmith and there was a definite drop in quality. Less fireworks, less connection between the musicians and less overall energy. It just wasn't what it was.
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Old 01-15-2015, 09:54 PM   #8
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Kiss is great. I don't care what anyone says. Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock music and Ace Frehley is a great guitar player. Gene Simmons is kind of a dick head but no one really cares about that as long as the music is good.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:55 PM   #9
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I don't care what anyone says. Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock music



no. just no.
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:41 PM   #10
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Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock music.


We are hearing different qualities.
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Old 01-22-2015, 04:44 PM   #11
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Kiss is great. I don't care what anyone says. Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock music and Ace Frehley is a great guitar player. Gene Simmons is kind of a dick head but no one really cares about that as long as the music is good.


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Old 01-23-2015, 11:25 PM   #12
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I would've killed to see them live in their hay day ('76-'79). They're image and live show were their main appeal, but I've never owned a KISS record and I dont think I could put on one of their records and just listen. Their music just wasn't very good. But their performances were legendary.
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Old 01-26-2015, 12:10 AM   #13
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You are all just hating because none of you have the talent that they have. Just get over it.
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Old 01-26-2015, 01:17 AM   #14
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You are all just hating because none of you have the talent that they have. Just get over it.

you're right. i cant do make up like them.
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Their music was actually pretty solid up until the late 70's when they started making the solo albums. I think only Frehley made a half decent record back then. They're not exactly groundbreaking in terms of musicality, but neither were most bands. They didn't claim to be anything other than a kickass rock band. I think the first 3-4 albums pretty much solidified that notion.
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Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock music



Apparently you've never heard of Freddie Mercury or Bruce Dickinson.

There is a short list of vocalists in rock music who have a 4-octave vocal range(such as the previously mentioned 2 examples), and Paul isn't on it. And that's not an opinion; that's a fact. Sorry, I love the music KISS made and have seen them several times in concert, but that statement you made has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen or heard and I've been floating around these forums for a long time.
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Old 02-02-2015, 07:47 PM   #17
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Damn I feel like i'm being gang raped or something. I mean is it a crime to think that KISS is good?
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:24 PM   #18
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no, but it's stupid to say Paul Stanley has the best vocal range in rock as that is objectively incorrect. range is not how good someone sings but simply the amount of different notes a voice can cover, which can be objectively measured. and Paul's is not the biggest range in rock music.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:42 PM   #19
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Well i guess I should just say that he is a great singer for what he has. I'm a guitar player and I don't know very much about vocals
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:21 PM   #20
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I first saw KISS in 1974 when they were still playing clubs in New York and New Jersey. They were totally original in their sound and obviously in their over the top stage show. I just saw them this past August in Atlantic City and they still sound good and put on the best show in rock. At this point the music is almost incidental. Their records are more like audio souvenirs of their shows these days but give credit where is it is due. They were the originals. If you don't get it you are missing out on the best rock show anyone could ever see.
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