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Old 01-30-2013, 07:55 PM   #30881
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Yes, American history is by no means without its blemishes but America has a lot to be proud of. It still remains the only secular democracy in the world. The First Amendment to the Constitution is a beautiful thing, which secures freedom of speech (among other great things) in writing. Sure other countries almost guarantee the same freedoms, but other countries weren't founded on them.


It seems quite common in social interactions for me to think "Are they joking? Jesus Christ I hope they're joking".


That being said, the Constitution is still one of the major reasons why America hasn't gotten rid of its ridiculous gun laws...
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:56 PM   #30882
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^ That's because right-wing Americans treat the Constitution and Bill of Rights as scripture.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:22 AM   #30883
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Yes, American history is by no means without its blemishes but America has a lot to be proud of. It still remains the only secular democracy in the world. The First Amendment to the Constitution is a beautiful thing, which secures freedom of speech (among other great things) in writing. Sure other countries almost guarantee the same freedoms, but other countries weren't founded on them.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:16 AM   #30884
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Yes, American history is by no means without its blemishes but America has a lot to be proud of. It still remains the only secular democracy in the world. The First Amendment to the Constitution is a beautiful thing, which secures freedom of speech (among other great things) in writing. Sure other countries almost guarantee the same freedoms, but other countries weren't founded on them.[/I]

Who told you that?
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:56 AM   #30885
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The greeks came up with democracy.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:32 PM   #30886
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The greeks came up with democracy.

The Ancient Greeks only allowed votes to men and held slaves, who also weren't allowed to vote.

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Who told you that?

I also meant without a monarchy.

To Will 2: I'm mainly basing my posts on this thing of beauty (from the declaration of independence):

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

No other country has this written as the founding of a nation.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:11 AM   #30887
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Another long post

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Old 02-01-2013, 07:11 AM   #30888
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I am not happy about my monarchy. I don't care if it's quaint or traditional. It's an outmoded structure with no purpose other than taking the tax payer's money.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:16 AM   #30889
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I'm alright with our royal family. They're decent peeps.

Also, I've read about the British royal family that they stimulate the economy through tourism alone enough to make up for what they cost.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:05 PM   #30890
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I am not happy about my monarchy. I don't care if it's quaint or traditional. It's an outmoded structure with no purpose other than taking the tax payer's money.

Yup. A relic of a fascist age and a jewel-encrusted personification of the out-dated class system which basically is the single shittest thing about all modern society.

BTW, I just got the new Cult of Luna album. A bit gloomy for my usual tastes, but it's awesome.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:52 PM   #30891
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I'm alright with our royal family. They're decent peeps.

Also, I've read about the British royal family that they stimulate the economy through tourism alone enough to make up for what they cost.

I saw the same thing recently, I think it was from a thread in the Pit.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:53 PM   #30892
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I'm alright with our royal family. They're decent peeps.

Also, I've read about the British royal family that they stimulate the economy through tourism alone enough to make up for what they cost.


It's not really the financial aspect. It's that these jokers live a life of luxury as 'superiors' without having done one day of work in their whole lives.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:09 PM   #30893
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Yours don't work? Hah, losers! Unless you don't count involvement with government, state trips, ceremonial stuff and charity stuff as work. Ours is supposed to work like 60 hours a week, and she's 75. And her son, who's gonna be our king come Spring does all kinds of good things for anything to do with water projects. Irrigation in dry countries, flood prevention, water quality and the like.

Now I sound like a fanboy.
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I saw the same thing recently, I think it was from a thread in the Pit.

Maybe it was the same guy making the same post after all that time again?
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:57 PM   #30894
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You big royalist.

Well at least your peeps do their bit. But if signing some bills and touring other countries counts as 'work' then sign me up.
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:46 PM   #30895
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I found out Queen Elizabeth II didn't start paying income tax until the 1990s. Despite all the "good work" and "tourism" royals provide, the fact that they exist is a big shit stain on democracies that people have fought and died for for hundreds if not thousands of years.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:13 PM   #30896
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I'm not pro monarchy, I'm just not anti-monarchy either (unless it's a real monarchy like Saudi Arabia).

With that said I don't agree with the 'royal family provides economic growth with tourism' argument. If the monarchy was abolished Britain would still have loads of tourism. The English royal family are also the most annoying. The Swedish (and Dutch and basically all of the others) royal family is way cooler. Too bad the bunny ears photo isn't real though. :/
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:07 AM   #30897
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I think I'll conclude my Pro-America arguments in this post. The reason why I like the country because in Australia the rights of free speech, freedom of the press etc. are only implied. They MUST be written down, there is simply no wiggle room or argument in these matters.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:52 AM   #30898
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Finally got the new Biffy Clyro album. It's really rather good actually, better than I could have expected. Veers a bit on the forgettable-pop side of things at times (as expected), but there's a lot of really good semi-heavy alt-rock here too. It's a style that borrows from across their past releases, but that they haven't really mined properly before - and one that really works rather well.

I'm enjoying it a lot more than I did Only Revolutions, anyway.
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See what happens when you talk about music in here? I'd happily bring the conversation back to computers since I'm no more enlightened than when I asked last time.
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