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Old 08-19-2006, 04:58 PM   #21
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Sabbath was really both hard rock and heavy metal. They did originate the metal formula, but their music is a bit more blues-based than most metal bands. It's the same way with AC/DC; everyone always calls them metal, but they're really more hard rock (hell, Angus was even offended when people called them metal).

On a side note, I'm kind of new to Black Sabbath, and I do own Paranoid and Black Sabbath (the album), and I'm wondering which album to get next. So...can anyone help? (And don't say Master Of Reality, because I already know I need to get that one.)
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Old 08-19-2006, 05:02 PM   #22
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^Volume 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Those should keep you happy for a while.
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Old 08-19-2006, 05:37 PM   #23
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Any of the first 6 albums, Heaven and Hell is essential, also try Mob rules, Born Again, Eternal Idol and Headless Cross for a good overview of post - Ozzy Sabbath.
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Old 08-19-2006, 05:39 PM   #24
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Sabbath was really both hard rock and heavy metal. They did originate the metal formula, but their music is a bit more blues-based than most metal bands. It's the same way with AC/DC; everyone always calls them metal, but they're really more hard rock (hell, Angus was even offended when people called them metal)


I've never heard anyone call Ac/Dc metal. I would have killed them by now

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and actually that isn't narrow-mindedness


Oh?

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The reason why Iron Maiden isn't considered CR because they don't deserve to


The narrow-mindedness-o-meter nearly broke after taking a reading off of that

But, not to stray from the object, Master of Reality is one of my favorite albums. One of the few albums I can stand to hear from front to back.
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I've never heard anyone call Ac/Dc metal. I would have killed them by now


Well, for example, at the music store at the mall where I live, they have AC/DC in the metal section. And also, most music magazines (namely, the stupid ones that praise Green Day incessantly) call AC/DC metal. And while I do disagree with that, AC/DC did undoubtedly influence the metal sound from the 80's. But they, themselves, are not metal. The closest they came to metal was probably Whole Lotta Rosie, and that's still not even close.
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:54 PM   #26
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The narrow-mindedness-o-meter nearly broke after taking a reading off of that


oh no that's just the opinion was being narrow-minded not me not me

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^ Since deciding a genre based solely on time period alone seems extremly stupid, i'd say Black Sabbath belongs in the Metal Forum.


well please just shut up about it. enough discussions already

why can we just let Black Sabbath's threads be posted in both metal AND CR? e.g Just like SRV and Eric Clapton's cases (both here and the blues forum) or MC5 (well they're proto-punk but still both here and punk forum)

just so this doesn't go off the topic
first 5 Sabbath's albums are their best. i never really liked Heaven and Hell (i prefered Dio's work with Blackmore than with Iommi)
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:03 PM   #27
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Well, for example, at the music store at the mall where I live, they have AC/DC in the metal section. And also, most music magazines (namely, the stupid ones that praise Green Day incessantly) call AC/DC metal. And while I do disagree with that, AC/DC did undoubtedly influence the metal sound from the 80's. But they, themselves, are not metal. The closest they came to metal was probably Whole Lotta Rosie, and that's still not even close.



Wait.....I take back what I said....there are ignorant people, a lot of which I've seen on this site alone, who have this notion that Ac/Dc are Hair Metal. I remember blowing a circut at the few who mentioned them in that context. Ac/Dc are FAR from hair metal. They neither sound nor look like what a Hair Metal band should. NITRO, or Twisted Sister, for example, are Hair Metal.

Hair Metal = Big poofy hair, tight leather pants, and guitar masturbation.

And on the Black Sabbath theory: They are both Classic Rock and Metal. Simple as that. They played Metal(at the time what constituted as metal) during the Classic Rock era. It's not that difficult to understand. What's the problem?
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:06 PM   #28
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And on the Black Sabbath theory: They are both Classic Rock and Metal. Simple as that. They played Metal(at the time what constituted as metal) during the Classic Rock era. It's not that difficult to understand. What's the problem?


I think the problem is that people are stupid. Yeah, that's it...people are stupid.
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:38 PM   #29
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I think the problem is that people are stupid. Yeah, that's it...people are stupid.




but hey you misspelt "executed" in your sig
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but hey you misspelt "executed" in your sig


Well my God, I did...I must have typed it too fast. Whatever, I'm gonna change that thing anyway, who cares.

An oh yeah, you misspelled "misspelled", ironically. But all spelling errors aside, a lot of people still maintain the title of "stupid", mostly the people who constantly argue over whether Sabbath and AC/DC are CR or Metal. Sabbth are both. AC/DC are CR. There you go. Get used to it.

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Old 08-19-2006, 09:49 PM   #31
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Well my God, I did...I must have typed it too fast. Whatever, I'm gonna change that thing anyway, who cares.

An oh yeah, you misspelled "misspelled", ironically.


no actually it was right

either mispelt or mispelled

it's ironic that you said people are stupid while you yourself misspells words





....just jk a few spelling mistakes won't hurt no one
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:57 PM   #32
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Well my God, I did...I must have typed it too fast. Whatever, I'm gonna change that thing anyway, who cares.

An oh yeah, you misspelled "misspelled", ironically. But all spelling errors aside, a lot of people still maintain the title of "stupid", mostly the people who constantly argue over whether Sabbath and AC/DC are CR or Metal. They're both. Get used to it.



Er...that was all good and all up until you included Ac/Dc in the "they are both" part.
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Er...that was all good and all up until you included Ac/Dc in the "they are both" part.


Oh, I must not have been thinking right there. I was mostly talking about Sabbath during that, so I guess I just forgot. Whatever, I can go back and change it.

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AC/DC is heavy metal, which is different from metal. Black Sabbath is metal. AC/DC couldn't have pulled off some of Sabbath's material, and I don't think Sabbath could play AC/DC material. Two different sounds. But both get included into classic rock because they not only fell in the certain time period, but more importantly, their music transcends the time they were famous during and has influenced numerous bands and musical styles that came after them.
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i think your in the wrong forum too but black sabbath is way overrated
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i think your in the wrong forum too but black sabbath is way overrated



Let me put this out there, I don't like Black Sabbath. I've never cared much for their music(not a big metal fan) and I doubt I ever will. But to say that they're overrated is just ignorant. I'm sorry, but it is. I see by your name that you're a VH fan. Without Sabbath there wouldn't have been an AC/DC, Van Halen, and any other hard rock/heavy metal band. Sabbath helped to pioneer hard rock and for that reason, even though I don't like their music, I owe them a tremendous amount of respect.
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heavy metal, which is different from metal.



Heavy Metal is not like Nu Metal

Heavy Metal is subgenre of Metal and AC/DC are hard rock. I don't think they have anything to do with Metal
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AC/DC is heavy metal, which is different from metal.


No. AC/DC was never, ever heavy metal, and they never will be. Heavy metal is Metallica, stuff like that. But AC/DC is, always has been, and always will be, hard rock.

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That's funny, because as I recall, AC/DC's influences included Chuck Berry, The Rolling Stones, The Yardbirds, The Beatles, The Who...NOT Black Sabbath.

Christ, this is almost as bad as the people in the 70's who called AC/DC punk rock. At least know what you're talking about before you say something.
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