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Old 03-10-2009, 07:36 PM   #81
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what would 4/10 be?


Exactly what it sounds like: Four beats, with each being equal to 1/10th of a whole note. Of course, you can't communicate 1/10th of a whole note without first establishing what a whole note is, so 4/10 (and other irrational time signatures, like 4/3) can only exist alongside other time signatures like 4/4. By itself, it's just four beats per bar, and may as well just be called 4/4 (or 4/8).

Consider a doubling of tempo. If the tempo doubles, the length of a quarter note is now equal in length to an eighth note at the previous tempo. What if you're writing a piece that makes use of such a tempo change? Would you keep the piece in 4/4 and notate a tempo change, or would you keep the tempo the same and change the time signature from 4/4 to 4/8? The answer is probably "it depends". If you modulate only once, it may be easier just to mark a tempo change, but if you're doing it every bar, it's probably far easier for the performer if you notate it in alternating bars of 4/4 and 4/8, rather than forcing them to keep track of something like "Play in 120bpm...now play at 240...now at 120".

It's the same for 4/10. What if your tempo change results in a beat unit equal to 1/10th of a whole note at the previous tempo? Do you mark a tempo change, or just write a bar of 4/10? Again: It depends. But alone, 4/10 is meaningless.
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:17 PM   #82
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MAB has a song in 11/4. I forget which one, but he played it when I saw him live last fall.
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:42 AM   #83
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Exactly what it sounds like: Four beats, with each being equal to 1/10th of a whole note. Of course, you can't communicate 1/10th of a whole note without first establishing what a whole note is, so 4/10 (and other irrational time signatures, like 4/3) can only exist alongside other time signatures like 4/4. By itself, it's just four beats per bar, and may as well just be called 4/4 (or 4/8).

Consider a doubling of tempo. If the tempo doubles, the length of a quarter note is now equal in length to an eighth note at the previous tempo. What if you're writing a piece that makes use of such a tempo change? Would you keep the piece in 4/4 and notate a tempo change, or would you keep the tempo the same and change the time signature from 4/4 to 4/8? The answer is probably "it depends". If you modulate only once, it may be easier just to mark a tempo change, but if you're doing it every bar, it's probably far easier for the performer if you notate it in alternating bars of 4/4 and 4/8, rather than forcing them to keep track of something like "Play in 120bpm...now play at 240...now at 120".

It's the same for 4/10. What if your tempo change results in a beat unit equal to 1/10th of a whole note at the previous tempo? Do you mark a tempo change, or just write a bar of 4/10? Again: It depends. But alone, 4/10 is meaningless.


wow, that just solved my problem with the song im writing that changes tempo all the time
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:45 PM   #84
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Never thought I'd see the day, but Ethiopia by the Chili Peppers is in 7/8
Sound of Muzak by Porcupine Tree has my favorite 7/4 guitar part ever. The verses to their track "Open Car" are in 17/8.
Right in Two by Tool is one of my favourites by them, and I think it sticks in a 11/4 (or 11/8, not sure) time signature

Alot of bands with wacky time signatures can be kind of annoying to listen to. Check out Thrice. They find a way to make it pretty catchy, and their early stuff really hopped around with time signature changes.
Hold Fast Hope is in 5/4, The Earth Will Shake hops around with 4/4, 7/8, and 6/8, Melting Point of Wax alternates 5/4 with 4/4.
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:19 PM   #85
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:44 PM   #86
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They've done it a few times, but it's rare. It'd be a real treat to see it live. Schism is probably the most ****ed up song i can think of.

...they play it pretty often. it was on the set list the whole tour when i saw them, its one of their most famous songs.
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...they play it pretty often. it was on the set list the whole tour when i saw them, its one of their most famous songs.

That comment was brought to you courtesy of February 2006, btw.
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I can write a coherent tune ... But 3/4? I play rock, not polka.
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