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Old 06-14-2014, 02:55 AM   #1
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Define groove metal with respect to music theory.

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so i was thinking my whole band thinks we sound like a groove metal band, but i really don't know what is groove metal. iv'e heard groove metal albums. but still i'm not sure if i know the exact definition.
some aspects of my band are the vocalist is really inspired by korn, which is an nu band and the rhythm guitarist really likes lamb of god which is a groove metal, he composes all the riffs.
A lot of our main riffs are very repetitive and feature a lot of dotted notes. The vocals are also repetitive in melody and rhythm, and are quite catchy. The songs have a catchy feel where you can sing the riffs. songs are around 150 bpm. Here's one single http://www.reverbnation.com/realmunseen.

So can someone define the rhythmic and melodic aspects of groove metal With music theory and notation.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:15 AM   #2
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It's uses the shitqueer scale frequently and uses anallicking rhythms
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:51 AM   #3
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hi,
so i was thinking my whole band thinks we sound like a groove metal band, but i really don't know what is groove metal. iv'e heard groove metal albums. but still i'm not sure if i know the exact definition.
some aspects of my band are the vocalist is really inspired by korn, which is an nu band and the rhythm guitarist really likes lamb of god which is a groove metal, he composes all the riffs.
A lot of our main riffs are very repetitive and feature a lot of dotted notes. The vocals are also repetitive in melody and rhythm, and are quite catchy. The songs have a catchy feel where you can sing the riffs. songs are around 150 bpm. Here's one single http://www.reverbnation.com/realmunseen.

So can someone define the rhythmic and melodic aspects of groove metal With music theory and notation.


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Old 06-14-2014, 05:52 AM   #4
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This is like thrash metal, but slower and downtuned.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:57 AM   #5
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This is like thrash metal, but slower and downtuned.

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Old 06-14-2014, 06:03 AM   #6
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But its such a boring genre ;_;

Its not even really a genre, its more of a descriptive term. You hear djent bands being called 'groove metal' simply because they have grooves in their songs. Even a band like Daath, who are labelled groove metal, have none of the traits of the genre other than they're American and sprouted up around the same time LoG became popular.

Its also really not something you should invest time into writing... srsly

If you're still sticking to this idea, then the first thing you should be doing is downloading a bunch of tabs from groove based bands, seeing it laid out then just analysing how the riffs are written and so on.
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Old 06-14-2014, 06:45 AM   #7
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hi,
so i was thinking my whole band thinks we sound like a groove metal band, but i really don't know what is groove metal. iv'e heard groove metal albums. but still i'm not sure if i know the exact definition.
some aspects of my band are the vocalist is really inspired by korn, which is an nu band and the rhythm guitarist really likes lamb of god which is a groove metal, he composes all the riffs.
A lot of our main riffs are very repetitive and feature a lot of dotted notes. The vocals are also repetitive in melody and rhythm, and are quite catchy. The songs have a catchy feel where you can sing the riffs. songs are around 150 bpm. Here's one single http://www.reverbnation.com/realmunseen.

So can someone define the rhythmic and melodic aspects of groove metal With music theory and notation.


Nice sound there mate. Not keen on the heavy screaming but thats just my taste. Good work.
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:25 AM   #8
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What the hell are djent bands rofl
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:57 AM   #9
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I guess you could consider Groove Metal to be a sub genre of metal, based around simple "grooves" or riffs. These riffs are usually slow, repetitive (not in a bad way) and rhythm heavy (as apposed to melody), and thus creating a strong groove. A great example of this genre is Pantera (Walk and Cowboys From Hell are great examples of their style). I also consider Meshuggah to be a good example of groove metal (I'll be it more polyrhythmical and br00tal, but all their songs focus around simple grooves.)

That's probably the most text book definition I can think of, and probably doesn't answer your question but hey neither do 90% of the above posts do soooo.

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Old 06-14-2014, 09:18 AM   #10
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:35 AM   #11
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I know all of those bands. I didn't know they were referred to as djent
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:43 AM   #12
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I don't think groove metal should even be a genre. I agree with Zaqq, this sounds the same as thrash but down tuned with some dude growling
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:46 AM   #13
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Please don't refer to Meshuggah as djent, it's an insult to the band.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:13 AM   #14
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Hard rock song songwriting structures and instrumentation, but with a metal aesthetic. Heavy chunky riffs, lots of rhythmic chugging. Simple structures, appeals to fans of aesthetic heaviness. Slightly more aggressive vocals than the hard rock counterpoint. Often uses double bass, again to give the illusion of heaviness. Focus on rhythm rather than melody.

I reckon that's a good start. Though I realise it doesn't delve too much into music theory. Though I do wonder if you perhaps actually meant musical features of groove metal, rather than the theory behind it.
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:30 AM   #15
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Take Shinedown and add more double bass and harsh vocals.
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Hard rock song songwriting structures and instrumentation, but with a metal aesthetic. Heavy chunky riffs, lots of rhythmic chugging. Simple structures, appeals to fans of aesthetic heaviness. Slightly more aggressive vocals than the hard rock counterpoint. Often uses double bass, again to give the illusion of heaviness. Focus on rhythm rather than melody.

I think that's a good summary. It is perfectly possible for band to emphasise the rhythmic component and still have that sense of melodic development that defines good metal (Deicide, Suffocation and Exodus being good examples), but, if you take a song like Walk, it is basically a rock song and the riffs are put together on the basis of rhythmic hooks.

In other words, just listen to AC/DC because they do it much better.
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:02 PM   #17
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TS, you really should ask theory questions in the Musicians Talk forum. You're more likely to get a serious answer.


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It's not even really a genre, its more of a descriptive term.

Actually, it pretty much is. Groove Metal is defined as:
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Also called post-thrash, and as the name suggests, it's an extreme metal formed after thrash made its wave.

It blended heavy metal, thrash metal, and hardcore punk together and it came into being in the early 1990s thanks to bands such as Sepultura, Machine Head, White Zombie, Exhorder, Fear Factory, and Pantera.


That all said, 90% of groove metal bands are boring as shit.
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Pantera. Demon Hunter. Listen to these bands, that is groove metal.
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Please don't refer to Meshuggah as djent, it's an insult to the band.


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