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Old 10-18-2015, 08:27 AM   #1
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Practice Amp or Interface and Software

Hey guys, looking for some opinion on a few possible routes for sound. Getting back into playing guitar after having gone a few years without touching one. Picked up a Schecter C1 off craigslist a few weeks ago and now I need something to play it through.

Looking at a few didferent options, some I've been able to try and guitar center and others just aren't possible to demo so any feedback will help.
-almost exclusively going to be played through headphones or at very low volume (live in apartment, with Roomate)
-very occasionally I play with a few friends, who are all using <20 w ss practice amp (if I went with interface I could run a line out to a pa monitor or keyboard amp in that situation)
- decent cleans and a good crunchy od are most important (lots of jam band type stuff, up to harder rock, no really heavy metal (not expecting the best from tone in this range, but I'd like useable and decent)

The options I've been looking at are getting a small practice amp, valvetronix is my favorite I've demoed but would have to find used in my area. Played with peavey vypyr for a while and had some difficulty getting it dialed in but wasn't terrible.

Or picking up an interface and some software (focusrite Scarlett and peavey revalver probably) and just playing through headphones/ computer speakers. (Going this route would pick up studio monitors in next month or two)

Just another thought in my head but one I've considered less is getting a multi fx with modeling included. my real qualm with this is price range.

really looking to stay under 200, at least as initial investment. I love love love the tones from some of the little 5 watt tube amps, but wouldn't be able to play through headphones at night or when necessary, and I'd also need to pickup an od pedal to get me into the tone I play moats

Thanks for reading and thanks for the advice!

Tl;dr : getting back into guitar after a few years, need to plug in and play with sound. 200$ budget, opinions on small practice amps vs software and an interface. Mostly headphone or extremely low volume.

Any thing else you guys like feel free to suggest
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Old 10-18-2015, 09:44 AM   #2
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Interface and computer is my advice. If you have a laptop just run that into the PA when you jam.
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Old 10-18-2015, 09:55 AM   #3
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Right on, I liked the interface because it will be useful down the road as well as now. I was just worried if there is any noticeable lag between playing and when it comes through monitors; and if the sound quality is decent through regular computer speaker. Until i can grab a monitor for it.
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Old 10-18-2015, 10:50 AM   #4
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Depends on the interface, software and the the device you're running your VST on. I use ampkit and bias fx on the iPad Air with no noticeable lag at all
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:21 PM   #5
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Right on, I liked the interface because it will be useful down the road as well as now. I was just worried if there is any noticeable lag between playing and when it comes through monitors; and if the sound quality is decent through regular computer speaker. Until i can grab a monitor for it.


With a proper driver setup, you won't get noticeable latency.

If you don't have monitors yet, it would be best to connect a pair of headphones to your computer. The computer speakers sound awful, at least to me. I always connect my headphones if using Amp Sims.

Which Focusrite Scarlett are you thinking about buying? I've heard that the Solo and the 2i2 have clipping problems if you plug the guitar directly to it, even if you have the Gain knob on the interface turned all the way down along with low volume. This depends on the hotness of the pickups, but lots of people complain about it.

If you get the 2i4, which is a bit more expensive, it has a pad feature that solves the clipping problem.

Check this sticky on the Recording forum, and go to the "Recording Interfaces - A Buyers Guide" section for more info about which interface to get: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1658707

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Old 10-18-2015, 01:38 PM   #6
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If you have a Mac just buy Rocksmith and use the cable with Garage Band.
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:53 PM   #7
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If you have a Mac just buy Rocksmith and use the cable with Garage Band.


I think he would have better results with a good audio interface. Plus, it can come in handy down the road if he ever gets a good amp and wants to mic it up.
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:56 PM   #8
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With a proper driver setup, you won't get noticeable latency.

If you don't have monitors yet, it would be best to connect a pair of headphones to your computer. The computer speakers sound awful, at least to me. I always connect my headphones if using Amp Sims.

Which Focusrite Scarlett are you thinking about buying? I've heard that the Solo and the 2i2 have clipping problems if you plug the guitar directly to it, even if you have the Gain knob on the interface turned all the way down along with low volume. This depends on the hotness of the pickups, but lots of people complain about it.

If you get the 2i4, which is a bit more expensive, it has a pad feature that solves the clipping problem.

Check this sticky on the Recording forum, and go to the "Recording Interfaces - A Buyers Guide" section for more info about which interface to get: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1658707


The 2i2 Scarlett came recommended but only from using the rack version. Heading over to read that sticky now, do you recommend any particular interface around the price of the 2i2 Scarlett 150$
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The 2i2 Scarlett came recommended but only from using the rack version. Heading over to read that sticky now, do you recommend any particular interface around the price of the 2i2 Scarlett 150$


What if you hunt down a used 2i4? Its -10dB pad is very useful to avoid clipping, the 2i2 clips very easily and it doesn't has that pad. For your budget, the 2i4 would definitely be your best bet.

Here, used on Guitar Center, 130$: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Fo...ce-111312114.gc

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Old 10-18-2015, 02:51 PM   #10
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Hello, I'm looking for an amp too. A person who lives in my town is selling a paevey vyper 30 and a sanpera II. He'd sell it to me for 150. It's worth it?
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Hello, I'm looking for an amp too. A person who lives in my town is selling a paevey vyper 30 and a sanpera II. He'd sell it to me for 150. It's worth it?

a good deal IMO, but you should start your own thread and not threadjack.
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a good deal IMO, but you should start your own thread and not threadjack.

Yeah, sorry for that but i was unable to open a thread on my own
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Yeah, sorry for that but i was unable to open a thread on my own

why?
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why?


It says ''You're NOT ALLOWED to create threads in all forums except New Members Q&A and UG Feedback.
You should become an active user
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I know that i should have waited but i needed a quick answer beacuse the sellers was ready to sell it to another person. Sorry again.
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i have lots of small amps and i have an interface/software setup. i tend to use the interface more since i have been living in apartments.
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What if you hunt down a used 2i4? Its -10dB pad is very useful to avoid clipping, the 2i2 clips very easily and it doesn't has that pad. For your budget, the 2i4 would definitely be your best bet.

Here, used on Guitar Center, 130$: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Fo...ce-111312114.gc



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i have lots of small amps and i have an interface/software setup. i tend to use the interface more since i have been living in apartments.


Nice, that's what i was thinking as well. More versatile, quiet, portable. What software do you use? or do you have any recommendations? I have a few plug ins to Reaper that might be alright.
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:37 PM   #17
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If you decide to go the interface and software route, there are some free amps sims worth considering such as those by LePou. There are also free IRs such as Catharsis.
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Nice, that's what i was thinking as well. More versatile, quiet, portable. What software do you use? or do you have any recommendations? I have a few plug ins to Reaper that might be alright.


well the main reason i do use an interface setup is because it is very versatile as you mention. i can play along with songs by just playing itunes with it, i can record just by opening my recording software. i can also control the volume completely, it is much easier to control volume on a standard consumer speaker setup than with a high sensitivity guitar speaker, plus i can also use headphones.

portable... that can be a bit of an issue. i would actually say a small amp is a bit easier for the portability and far more useful if you actually want to practice and play with other musicians in a band setting. i do have a portable setup that only requires two cords (usb and a 1/4") a computer and an interface the size of my thumb, you can use the laptop speakers but i also have a small speaker setup i can tote around. so you are looking at 3 pieces of equipment and 2 cables in my most stripped down and portable setup, and it probably won't be loud enough to play with other people in a band setting.

so i wouldn't go this route for portability.

as for software, you are spoiled for choice. i have a handful of free demo stuff that gets me by, i also have DAW's with native software equipment, i also use an ipad or iphone software as well.

reaper would work great, there is tons of free vst and software plug-in's you can run with that. i am actually quite impressed Logic's simulated equipment. i also use Garageband stuff, amplitube, guitar rig, some peavey software...

there is so much good stuff out there now, and so much of it is free or has a free demo to try it with. much of what you prefer is going to deal with what interface you like.
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Old 10-18-2015, 07:37 PM   #19
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I have reaper installed on my computer now and went ahead and grabbed some of the VST sims from LePou. My buddy has an interface that i'm going to use later and play with a few of the sims I have and see how I like it. I only mentioned portable because in my current situation I could take just the interface and my laptop with my guitar, and run through the PA.
Always browsing craigslist and found a small Yamaha trh10 for around 150. Gonna see how I like the interface with my current speaker and headphone and make a decision. Time for some volume
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Old 10-18-2015, 11:31 PM   #20
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Went interface route; skipped on scarlet 2i4 and found a ur22 for 100 semi local. Thanks for all the help. Have the Lepou amps to start with in reaper. Going to try the wall of sound vst for cab and see where it goes from there. Time to find some monitors!
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