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Old 01-07-2007, 07:15 PM   #61
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And ill do both series 1 and 2 VS's to.


Genres we shoudl add are blues, heavy blues (since it's i find it somewhere between classic rock and blues) and possibly hair metal.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:54 PM   #62
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Ok, you can do those if you feel you can do them good. Remember the main thing is to be completely objective and identify the strengths and weaknesses. Other people can also rate these amps. My goal is to get a few people for each amp and take them into consideration when making a final chart. I want to avoid "fanboy" reviews and people with little experience with these amps.

but yea, feel free to take your time and really think about how you rate them. I am bunching the two valvestates together.

I'm almost done compiling the table with the amps and the criteria. When this is done I will make a thread about this in order to organize people/amps. There will be 16 amps with 21 different criteria. The ratings will be "Great", "Good", "OK", and "Bad" each with it's own color.
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:22 PM   #63
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oh hey Joel have you tried a JTM60?


if it's the one I'm thinking of ( i can't remember if it was a jtm 60 or jcm600, or they may even be different versions of the same thing), I didn't like it much- the clean channel was ok, but the overdrive channel was poor, too modern/scooped sounding to my ears, not smooth or refined enough.

as for gutch's idea- I think it's a good idea.

I definitely think though that a few different versions of metal warrant being up there- it should at least be split into classic (e.g. black sabbath), 80's (NWOBHM/Thrash/Hair Metal) and Modern, since metal is what a lot of the guys here play, and what's more, those differing styles of metal need vastly different amps to attain the tone.

I'll take the AVT. It should get "bad" in every category. Oh, and you should have "terrible" as well, to make there an equal number of positive and negative characteristics.

Actually, change that to all "terrible" for the AVT. perhaps with cleans being "OK", and classic rock being "bad". And that's being charitable (I assume everything labelled "terrible" won't fly? )
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:26 PM   #64
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- JMP (non-master volume "plexi-face")
- JCM 800 (dual channel/jubilee's)
- JCM 900 Dual Reverbs
- JCM 900 SL-X
- Valvestate

And ill do both series 1 and 2 VS's to.


Genres we shoudl add are blues, heavy blues (since it's i find it somewhere between classic rock and blues) and possibly hair metal.


You could call "heavy blues" "blues rock" perhaps? Unless I misunderstand what you mean by heavy blues...

blues should definitely be up there, I think I mentioned that to gutch in his pm.

I agree with hair metal, but i think the same amp style/tone could be used near enough for hair metal/NWOBHM/thrash, so they could all go under the one category. That is, if we agree with gutch's fascist idea of metal genres.

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Old 01-07-2007, 08:41 PM   #65
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If you want some "good" ( ) opinions on the MG, pm TGM (check his review in the reviews section for his POV).
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:44 PM   #66
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^ noooo!

I hadn't looked in there for a while. Turns out the krankenstein has a review of 10, and the revolution a review of 9.9.



EDIT: i think i need counselling after seeing so many positive MG reviews in the one place.
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:12 PM   #67
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These are the genres tha thsould added (all in all):
50's Rock & Roll/ Rockabilly
Blues
Heavy Blues/ Blues Rock/ Psychdelic Blues
Hair Metal/ NWOBM
Thrash metal

Plus we should add terrible as Dave suggested.

And how about these colours:
Blue= Great
Green= Good
Yellow= Ok
Orange= Bad
Red= Terrible
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:24 PM   #68
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if it's the one I'm thinking of ( i can't remember if it was a jtm 60 or jcm600, or they may even be different versions of the same thing), I didn't like it much- the clean channel was ok, but the overdrive channel was poor, too modern/scooped sounding to my ears, not smooth or refined enough.

well that's ok dave I really some fancy scooped too anyways...

and Gabe I think you should add some genre of the side of Punks and alternative too...
anyways very good idea on the ratings... (we should really give the MG the most terrible on
overall perfomance and stuff)
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:28 PM   #69
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Actually, change that to all "terrible" for the AVT. perhaps with cleans being "OK", and classic rock being "bad". And that's being charitable (I assume everything labelled "terrible" won't fly? )



Ah cmon , that really arent that bad. Overpriced yes, terrible no :P


And no im not biased, I dont like my AVT either... swapped it for a dsl-401 asap
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Well ive done mine
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Blue: Great
Green: Good
Yellow: Ok
Orange: Bad
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Old 01-08-2007, 01:10 PM   #71
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I think you need to add the "Legend" there Gabe so other people can recognize what those colors represent...
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:05 PM   #72
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I'd say the MG would get "Bad" for the cleans and "Terrible" for everything else.

Thats about all my input for this thread
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:32 PM   #73
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^ noooo!

I hadn't looked in there for a while. Turns out the krankenstein has a review of 10, and the revolution a review of 9.9.



EDIT: i think i need counselling after seeing so many positive MG reviews in the one place.


The MG30DFX has 8/10 for reliability.
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:49 PM   #74
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well that's ok dave I really some fancy scooped too anyways...





And Gabe: perhaps change "OK" to "Average" or "Mediocre", and "Bad" to "Poor", just to make it a little more professional-looking?
Nice choice of genres, too- perhaps combine "modern metal" with "metalcore"? Just to make it plain kind of what tone we mean by "modern metal"? Oh, and I just noticed- we don't have "shred" up there!

Anyway, here's what I think of the AVT (Valvestate 2, i guess?)

overall cleans: yellow (they aren't that bad...)
overall crunch: orange
overall distortion: red
pedal friendly: red (try boosting the OD channels and you'll see- it cuts out!)
Versatility: orange
Blues: Orange
Jazz: Yellow
50's: Orange
Blues Rock: Orange
Classic Rock: Orange
70's metal: Red
Classic Punk: Orange
Hair Metal: Red
Thrash: Orange
Hard Rock: Red
Modern Rock: Orange
Grunge: Orange
Pop-punk: Orange
Modern Metal: Red
Nu-Metal: Yellow

Bear in mind, I don't play all of those genres, so some of those might not be all that accurate! I was being charitable, too- I figure a list of reds will only enforce the opinion that UG is a "jump-on-the-bandwagon" community. But if you guys want to give it a worse rating, then I'm fine with that too, lol.



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OK, thanks...... the table I'm creating will only have 4 ratings and much less music genre's because some of those are so specific that there's no way the rating will be significantly different. I am trying to consolidate and simplifiy things. None-the-less I can still take your opinions into consideration in reguards to the chart.

I will make a thread later when I get home stating the amps and the criteria. There are about 16 amps, and 21 different criteria (only about 10 music genre's)
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^ yeah, it probably is getting a bit squashed- i still say we need 3 for metal, though- classic, 80's (inc. thrash, hair and NWOBHM), and modern. more than that probably isn't necessary, though.

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Well same aplies to me, what i think might sound numetal will sound cr*p for alot fo people. Also keep in mind when i thought about grunge i was thinking more like Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
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^^that sounds good, i'm trying to avoid splitting hairs
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Which marshall amp is the best for like, 80's and modern metal like old megadeth, old slayer, old old metallica, and 90's pantera stuff. maybe even some anthrax? which amp also has some good cleans with a metal amp? (Marshall)
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