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Old 02-05-2007, 01:38 PM   #21
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well, 6th and 7ths can be referred to as major or minor, so i wouldnt really limit the argument to just "seconds"


I could link you to an article if you'd like
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:41 PM   #22
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yeah of course. Yeah a link would be cool man...
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:45 PM   #23
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:02 PM   #24
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to sum it up for everyone else...


there are 2 families of intervals : perfect and major/minor

Augmented means that the family in question is expanded, or raised
Diminished means that the family is lowered

An interval cannot be perfect, and major, or major and minor, etc. It's either of one family, or the other.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:05 PM   #25
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To help you, i'm reading my hal leonard book on all this and it said that the mixolydian can be classed as major and the locrian is diminished.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:20 PM   #26
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KurrptSenate... Cheers man, good stuff. It seems you would basically never ever say either things. Because if you took a major 2nd and augmented, you would have a Minor 3rd, which i am sure is what you would say.

Thanks for the link man
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:22 PM   #27
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yes...


it is a rare occurence for sure, but in the event you do run into it, its important to have your rules straight.


Either way, I feel that article explains it very well
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:30 PM   #28
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Yeah definitely, thanks for straightening it up bro
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:33 PM   #29
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i've been on a theory binge, so its no problem
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:02 PM   #30
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thanks, thats really explained a lot
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:16 PM   #32
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KurrptSenate... Cheers man, good stuff. It seems you would basically never ever say either things. Because if you took a major 2nd and augmented, you would have a Minor 3rd, which i am sure is what you would say.

Thanks for the link man


It depends on the context.. the most common place to see an augmented 2nd interval is the _7#9 chord. Made up like.. 1 - 3 - 5 - b7 - #9.. and yes, you're correct in saying that the augmented second is enharmonic to the minor third, so in this case - you have a major third and a minor third in the same chord, but the major third takes precedence (because the function of our chord is dominant) and we call the minor third an augmented second to show it's function within the chord. Resolving up a semitone to the seventh of the I chord for example.

You would never call the augmented second a minor third in the case of my example.. because it is not functioning as a minor third.

One more thing.. you said ''NOTICE HOW THERE IS NO E# OR B#'' - which is incorrect (and is related to what I was saying about function) as both of those notes do exist so I'd probably put a note in there saying 'Note: These notes do exist, but are only written when the function of the note requires them in the case of the major seventh of C# being B# and not C, or the major third of C# being E# and not F for example' or something similar to that.


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Cheers bro, you da man.

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Woa, I just started this stuff awhile back, and woa. That's what I call progress. Great Lesson apple, great lesson.
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It depends on the context.. the most common place to see an augmented 2nd interval is the _7#9 chord. Made up like.. 1 - 3 - 5 - b7 - #9.. and yes, you're correct in saying that the augmented second is enharmonic to the minor third, so in this case - you have a major third and a minor third in the same chord, but the major third takes precedence (because the function of our chord is dominant) and we call the minor third an augmented second to show it's function within the chord. Resolving up a semitone to the seventh of the I chord for example.


You know, a year ago you may have well as been speaking Japanese, but now i know exactly what you're talking about.

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Fsba, where are you at with theory stuff?
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:11 PM   #36
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Oh man, this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff I need to be looking into. Thanks a bunch for the info! I'll be sure to study this one.

By the way, shouldn't this topic be pinned?
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:30 PM   #37
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Very nice lesson, I've been learning all this stuff over the past couple of months and this was a great refresher.
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:36 PM   #38
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wonderful job.

to add on to this i have a wonderful bass exercise on the modes. 3rd pattern runs, arpeggios in the modes. cool stuff.



Ill post it up soon
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Old 02-05-2007, 11:49 PM   #39
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excellent article. I knew my basic major and minor chord constructions, but this really cleared up the modes for me.

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Old 02-06-2007, 12:13 AM   #40
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okay i just posted the exercise on ultimate guitar....its a guitar pro.....search bass exercise in the next couple of days
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