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Old 04-05-2015, 09:28 PM   #1
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First few frets curved up

To prep for eventually building a partscaster with $500-600 of stuff, I am fixing up 3 of my old guitars, an LP SII, mini strat, and bullet strat (fret work, electronics, etc). My strats (esp the bullet pictured) feel almost banana-like. Frets 1-5 feel very curved upwards compared to the rest, but the pics don't show it well. What's going on here? The relief is fine, maybe a tad high for most.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2cghlf.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/abtg0y.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/6pt6bo.jpg

Edit: Just realized these strats have been leaning against my wall for the past 4-5 years... Anyway to reverse this? Lean it against the wall the opposite way detuned?

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Old 04-05-2015, 10:20 PM   #2
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I cant tell what you mean by "curved up" by the pictures. That term doenst make sense to me.
Also, "high relief" doestn make sense as well. do you mean action?
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:26 PM   #3
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I cant tell what you mean by "curved up" by the pictures. That term doenst make sense to me.
Also, "high relief" doestn make sense as well. do you mean action?


I mean my neck feels bowed, especially in the first 5 frets. It just felt way too bowed given the amount of relief in the neck. Should of said large relief, prob about 3 playing cards.

I just edited the OP, I haven't used these guitars since I was 10-12, and left them against a wall (obviously thought it was a good idea...). That explains the warp I felt. Right now they are tuned down and against the wall with the fingerboard facing the wall. Saw a few posts saying that in this same situation, it straightened it out.

My only concern is how accurate a fret dress will be now, as the only thing I want to use it for is to practice fret work/electronic mods.
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Old 04-06-2015, 06:22 AM   #4
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Do you understand how a truss rod works, and what the adjustments to it will do?
It seems like maybe you're trying to run before you learn to walk.
You need to learn to set the guitar/neck up before you start working on frets.
Instead of pasting a link, I suggest you google "how to adjust a truss rod" and read at least 3 or 4 different tutorials to be sure you understand.
Fret work is pointless if you can't adjust the neck.
Good luck!
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Old 04-06-2015, 07:12 PM   #5
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^ this

do some research on truss rod adjustment and levelling it. If you're new making a cheap slotted ruler is a good way to check that the neck is straight before you start fret dressing.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:23 AM   #6
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I think you neck may need a little more relief and maybe some fret levelling. But be warned and take it slow I ****ed up my first guitar trying to level its frets by myself.
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Old 04-07-2015, 04:48 PM   #7
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Thanks guys, maybe a truss rod adjustment is all it needs, it just felt very curved considering the amount of relief it had. Upon further examination, they may have some small twisting, not surprising considering how they were stored. Is it safe to dress frets on a warped neck (minor)? Again, just using them as practice dummies for various repairs. If I mess it up, I mess it up.
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:14 PM   #8
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Old 04-07-2015, 05:38 PM   #9
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Leaning a guitar against the wall will NOT in and of itself cause neck bow.

Think about it. The strings put a significant amount of tension on the neck ( a light gauge set creates about 70#), do you really think the pound or less of additional force is going to make a material difference?
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:35 PM   #10
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Great vid, I also have watched probably 6-7 fret dress vids. Pretty confident I know what to do.

That's true arby, but the bass side is lower on both (measuring from the body to the fingerboard). Is that just due to the heavier gauge of those strings combined with crappy $100 strat building materials?

Actually, how come guitars don't always have a warped bass side? There is so much more force
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Old 04-08-2015, 05:22 AM   #11
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As far as i know, the actual tension is pretty much the same on all strings. That's actually why they have different thickness. You can check out some numbers here:

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f21/s...arts-73846.html

They look pretty similar, or at least without any major differences across the set.
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Old 04-09-2015, 02:53 PM   #12
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^^ Interesting, never knew that
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