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Old 04-16-2007, 08:43 PM   #41
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A7: A (1) - C (b3) - Eb (b5) - G (bb7)
EbΔ9: E (1) - G# (3) - B (5) - D# (7) - F# (9)
G#: G# (1) - B (b3) - D (b5) - F# (b7)
Balt: B (1) - D# (3) - F (5) - Fx (#5) - A (b7) - C (b9) - Cx (#9)
F9#11: F (1) - A (3) - C (5) - Eb (b7) - G (9) - B (#11)
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Old 04-16-2007, 08:46 PM   #42
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A7: A (1) - C (b3) - Eb (b5) - G (bb7)
EbΔ9: E (1) - G# (3) - B (5) - D# (7) - F# (9)
G#: G# (1) - B (b3) - D (b5) - F# (b7)
Balt: B (1) - D# (3) - F (5) - Fx (#5) - A (b7) - C (b9) - Cx (#9)
F9#11: F (1) - A (3) - C (5) - Eb (b7) - G (9) - B (#11)


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Old 04-16-2007, 08:53 PM   #43
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I posted at 1:05 Fender at 1:06 :P Although yes i got it wrong lol!

A7 - A - 1st, C# - 3rd, E - 5th, G - b7 Dimished?

EbΔ9 - Never seen this before and google is a pile of crap for it But ill try.. Eb 1st, G 3rd, A b5th, C#b7th, F 9th

G# - G# 1st- B b3- D b5- F# b7

Balt - I was under the impression you could alter the 5th of 9th for this so it could have many answers? But anythis this is B(b5) - B 1st, D# 3rd, F b5.

F9#11 - F 1st , A 3rd, C 5th, D# b7th, G 9th, B #11th

These are probably wrong but meh...

EDIT: Sorry hadnt seen previous posts. And could someone explain Δ and to me properly please? Is dimished b7 i think...?
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:00 PM   #44
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A diminshed 7th(root, minor 3, diminshed 5 , Diminished 7th) so then its A, C E F#)
Not F#... Gb! It's a bb7 dude.. not a 6

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Rofl, he deleted his post because he saw that John aldready got it
His answers were still good thought... apart from the Gb that he wrote as F#... which is enharmonic but it's good because it doesn't have the same function!
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And could someone explain Δ and to me properly please? Is dimished b7 i think...?
Δ means maj7... so a Δ9 (maj9) chord is composed of 1 3 5 7 9!

means half-diminished... 1 b3 b5 b7
It's also often written as m7b5
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and is 1, b3, b5, bb7?? Why not use 6 instead?
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Not F#... Gb! It's a bb7 dude.. not a 6

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Rofl, he deleted his post because he saw that John aldready got it
His answers were still good thought... apart from the Gb that he wrote as F#... which is enharmonic but it's good because it doesn't have the same function!

yea two people ahead of me. Enharmonic blah. i only care about that in augmented 6th chords : P. plus i was writing form the poitn of view from the major key.
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Old 04-16-2007, 09:30 PM   #48
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and is 1, b3, b5, bb7?? Why not use 6 instead?
is 1 b3 b5. 7 is 1 b3 b5 bb7... which is what you probably wanted to say!

As for the bb7, it is written as so because it is a diminished 7th.. not a 6! It sounds the same but it's not the same thing! Maybe John can explain more about it but what I know is that it's a diminished 7th chord so it OBVIOUSLY has to have a 7th somewhere.. right??
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^correct. its basically semantics
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is 1 b3 b5. 7 is 1 b3 b5 bb7... which is what you probably wanted to say!


Lol yeh sorry thats what I meant.

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Lol sounds like its got something to do with Jews anyway ill stop bothering you with questions and let John have his go
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Δ means maj7... so a Δ9 (maj9) chord is composed of 1 3 5 7 9!


Δ is only used to notate a major seventh chord, or the tonic chord of the major scale. Whether that's maj7, maj9, maj13 and so forth. So for Cmaj9, you'd still use CΔ, not CΔ9. Cmaj13 would be CΔ, not CΔ13. The way you differentiate between them is by of course looking at the voicing provided, if there isn't one, you're better of just writing Cmaj9 if you want the reader to know the 9th is present. While Δ does mean maj7, I've commonly seen it used to notate 6/9 chords, add9 chords and various others, in that case it simply notates that the chord is the I tonic chord, the same way a G9 voicing would be notated as Gsus to notate the V chord, or Cmaj13#11 would be called CΔ#11 or C Lydian - these names are simply shorthand that give you the function of the chord. Summed up, you wouldn't write Cmaj9 as CΔ9.

Name the implied chord in each bar. (One chord for each bar - even though there are four chords in bar 2, they imply a certain tonality, so I'm only looking for one name).

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Old 04-17-2007, 11:04 AM   #52
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About why diminished chords use a bb7 rather than a 6: A diminished chord is just a bunch of minor thirds stapled on top of eachother (this is also why a diminished chord has 4 roots) and we all know that any 7 is a third above any 5. A 6 wouldn't be a third above the 5, therefore we use bb7 instead of 6.

1 - b3: Minor third
b3 - b5: Minor third
b5 - bb7: Minor third

While b5 - 6: Augmented second.

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im not sure about this because the the chord is 124, but im gonna take a guess. is it C diminished for the first one?

and for the third one is it C augmented Add9?
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^No & no, sorry. Hint: It's a very common chord progression.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:30 PM   #55
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I'm seeing a kind of Am-F-G progression, I think.
Am11 for the first one?
G9 for the last one?
I'm looking into a F for the second one, but having some trouble, some notes are just throwing me off. F13 perhaps?
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A-11 is good for the first one. A-7 would have done, I'm just looking for an implied tonality here, not full extended names. F and F13 are both incorrect for the second one. G9 is good for the last one, G9, G7 and Gsus are all acceptable.

So far, you have A-7 - ? - Gsus, or ii - ? - I. The second chord should be pretty obvious..
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If it's obvious I hope I'm right...

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Old 04-17-2007, 03:10 PM   #59
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Am7 - D7alt - Gsus
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Fenderfrk01 - D7alt is incorrect. It is an altered dominated chord, but it is not built from the altered mode.
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