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Old 04-27-2015, 03:35 PM   #1
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Floyd Rose can't go up

Hello there,

I just got a new guitar and it's my first with a Floyd Rose. I don't know what the terms are for the different settings but I can only push it down. I would like to set it up so I can also pull it.

What are the pros and cons of each setting? What precaution should I take when tweaking the floyd rose?

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Old 04-27-2015, 03:46 PM   #2
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What guitar is it? Some (especially 80s-style guitars) don't have the Floyd recessed (i.e. when you're not doing anything to the bar the bridge rests against the body) so you can't pull up at all. Some have low profile designs which don't have much upward range just on account of their shape.
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Old 04-27-2015, 03:52 PM   #3
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Right, I forgot to mention that!

It's a made in Japan Charvel So-Cal.
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Old 04-27-2015, 03:54 PM   #4
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It might be the kind that can only go down.
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:00 PM   #5
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Yup, that's set against the body. Without modification, it's dive-only.
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:07 PM   #6
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if set to float then there should be a little bit of pull up. if you're trying to do any of the crazy stuff then not happening. you need rear routing for that kind of stuff.
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:47 PM   #7
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Set against the body on that guitar. I have a love-hate relationship with that. On one hand, it's much more stable, on the other hand, I like doing crazy shit like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...nans190tk#t=211
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Old 04-27-2015, 04:57 PM   #8
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Right, I forgot to mention that!

It's a made in Japan Charvel So-Cal.

I have the same guitar. It lacks the routing behind the bridge. There's simply just no space for the Floyd to be able to do pulls - the bridge hits the body. The newer MIM ones have a recessed Floyd, which means they can do pulls too.

It does depend on the setup. You can make it do like 1/2 or whole step bends. But that's about it. I haven't really even found use for whammy bar bends. There's one benefit from having it set to float and that's whammy bar vibrato. Just raise your action a bit and you can do small bends on it, but nothing extreme.
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Hasn't he got a Vintage-style trem on there, though?
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Old 04-27-2015, 05:25 PM   #10
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Right, I forgot to mention that!

It's a made in Japan Charvel So-Cal.

Those are flush mount FR and are dive only
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Those are flush mount FR and are dive only


you can get a little pull up on those. yu might have to raise the posts a little to do it. the trem should be high enough off the body to allow some pull up before the back hits the body/
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you can get a little pull up on those. yu might have to raise the posts a little to do it. the trem should be high enough off the body to allow some pull up before the back hits the body/

Yes. That's how mine is set up. But you can't really go crazy with it. As I said, you can do like half or whole step bends and that's it.
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:25 AM   #13
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Thanks everyone!
So if I want to be able to do pulls I have to raise the action and I don't need to adjust the springs?

@MaggaraMarine: You can't do dive-bombs with it, can you?
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:39 AM   #14
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Thanks everyone!
So if I want to be able to do pulls I have to raise the action and I don't need to adjust the springs?

I wouldn't bother. Raising the action just to get some more travel on the Floyd when pulling up won't give you very much more travel and it'll ruin the guitar's playability. Kind of a waste of time imo.

If its really important to you that you can pull up by 4 or 5 steps, you need to buy another guitar. Otherwise its just not going to happen.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:21 AM   #15
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I am pretty happy with the guitar as it is, I was mainly just wondering to understand more about Floyd Roses. Although I might want to reduce the action a little bit, what precautions should I take in this case?
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:35 AM   #16
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The only thing you should know is to never adjust the posts with the guitar tuned up to pitch. It'll wreck the knife edges. You'll need to detune the whole guitar, take the springs out, adjust the posts, then put the springs back in and re-tune the guitar for every action adjustment you make.

With the Floyd off the guitar, its a good idea to put a little bit of grease on the knife edges. It helps reduce friction and therefore tuning stability a little.

It takes a lot of trail and error to set up a Floyd. And its particularly time consuming if the bridge is fully floating. But the way Floyds are designed doesn't allow for an alternate way. Its not hard to see why there's a healthy majority of people that despise them.
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:18 AM   #17
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^ not really, putting grease or any lube attracts dust, clean as possible to replace. Lube it if the posts/edges are fuked, it does help.
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:23 AM   #18
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The amount of grease you need is so small, that keeping it clean isn't a problem.
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^even a small amount picks up a huge amount of dirt /dust...if you have a new one, clean it...there is no real friction on a good FR
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:38 AM   #20
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Whenever I restring the guitar, I take the Floyd off to make it easier to insert the strings into the blocks. Any dirt that could get there is wiped off, which there is typically none.

I see no reason not to lube the knife edges. Either way it doesn't do any harm and cleaning it every so often is hardly a big deal.
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